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Matte Proof Vs Unc. BU Wheat Cent

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Is there a way to tell a difference between an matte proof and and uncirculated Wheat cent? What I am trying to figure out is if some people are selling BU cents when they really could be an matte proof or vis versa. I found a few more early proofs today and am only missing the 1936 and 38. Now I am on to the matte proofs and no one around where I live has any of these, so I will be looking online for them.
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 Posted 07/24/2007  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rims will be very sharp and squared off. The devices will be very sharp and squared to the fields. Also, do a search for Matte on the PCGS boards and you'll see some very nice examples. You should even see some "close calls" that are really just business strikes.
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I have one example in my collection, a PCGS 1911 PR-63.
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There is a book on ebay for Matte Proof Lincolnshttp://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Matte-Proof...17_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/140140982724 target= _blank rel= nofollow 140140982724 /a QQihZ004QQcategoryZ530QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Okay...you got me. That 1911, in those pictures, looks like it can be a Proof to me with the exception that the fields don't have a uniform smooth appearance. Count me in on the befuddled side.
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Some will have a satin type finish while others will have a deep matte finish which will be dull with granular lustre.
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Thanks for the answers, I will look into the book. I am thinking I will stick to certified matte proofs, I was looking around ebay and a couple that were labeled BU UNC looked just like the matte proof to me, there is an 1910 MP up right now that is raw.
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MPLs have certain diagnostics (In the book) for each date and a lot of times, business strikes are mistaken for a true MPL. Be very careful buying raw from ebay and good luck in your quest.

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Dewayne...sounds like you're talking about 3CN (business strikes vs. proofs being down to the diagnostics)....my type of talk!
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Brian Wagner has some very nice MPLs for sell. Check out that 1916!

http://www.bwrarecoins.com/?category=7

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Those MPLs always develop such wonderful toning Here are a couple more to look at-

http://www.earlyus.com/c.htm

edit: website is being revamped so link is
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Nice cents, a little out of my price range. It might take me a little while to complete my Lincoln proof set :( I keep going to the coin shows looking for that mis-marked proof!
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I read on the PCGS board where one lucky bloke did just that. He bought a 1909 raw that ended up being a Matte Proof!! I forgot if it was a VDB though. He paid next to nothing for it, too.
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Just an update, I got a 1910 MPL coming and am so excited!! I think I am happier than when I got my S-VDB. I did buy the book(if you want to call it that) on matte proofs. It basically is a reprint of an article in some magazine. The 1910 is the highest mintage, 4,000 something, but never less I am still very excited! I also think I got a great deal on it, $380. Now if only Dansco and other book makers put a spot in the books for these the prices would skyrocket.
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biokemist6,

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I wouldn't buy one of those raw. Best to purchase only slbbed ones to be sure. Possible to find raw ones but unless a great price, may not be what it is being sold for. True if there was a slot in Whitman or Dansco albums the price would rise dramatically. But since there isn't, at least for now, good time to buy them.
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Seeing this thread made me wonder a little more about one I have. The crispness of the design looked so good when I bought it. Probably should have it submitted to see what it grades.
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