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So I'm one quarter away from completing my Dansco album of Washington quarters and I find this on ebay (first and second picture). It took some haggling to get him down to my budget, but I Succeded. A decent MS-61. But I got the coin today and this is what I got (third pic). Wasn't happy about the difference. I'm not sure what was on the coin, lbut maybe a liquid stain? Doesn't look like normal toning to me, as he described it to have a couple of toning spots. Before I even had the coin, I played with the idea of taking it out of the holder to put it in the Dansco book. My thinking is undecided as to wether I should send it back for a refund or go ahead and take it out and give it a nice gentle bath in acetone and put in in the album? I've had good results with one other coin in acetone. I payed $190.00. Which isn't top $ for a MS 1935d Whashington quarter. I want to know what you all think, you give such good advice    |
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Pillar of the Community
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Whoa! I dont know how he could have not shown that thumb print or whatever it is, without doing some serious photoshop work. That is NOT a good example of a 61 at all. I would send it back.
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Oh my. Thumb print is definitely on there. I would send back as well.
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Yes, I'm thinking he used photoshop on this too. Bad if he did
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Bedrock of the Community
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Ugh! Are you sure the thumbprint is not on the the plastic?
Regardless, those dark marks/stains are troubling.
Edited by CelticKnot
10/09/2014 02:04 am
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Put me in the "send it back" camp. $190 is way too much money to throw away. At that price you should really like the coin. Seller will gladly take it back.
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Yeah I'm sure it's not on the plastic. Gonna contact the seller today. Thanks guys for your advice!
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OTOH this might be a prime candidate for conservation - from a technical standpoint, color aside, that's a lot more than a 61 obverse. If you return, strongly recommend that the seller pressure NGC for a reevaluation of the grade and/or conservation. I'm astonished that this got into a righteous slab - that's Environmental Damage to me.
Edit to add: I'm not surprised the fingerprint didn't show in the seller's images. They're like hairlines, and don't appear in all light. Heck, if he's a high-volume dealer, it's not unreasonable to think he never even saw the print.
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Not sure what they could do for conservation. All the acetone in the world isn't going to fix that thumb print. Maybe those other spots, but I doubt that as well.
What could they do that would not be considered cleaning?
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As far as conservation using acetone, like is said I've done it once and had good success. This coin did have some hairline scratches that didn't show on his or my pictures. It looked like someone had slightly tried to rub off the stain on the left side of the coin. I'm surprised NGC didn't designate it MS details/cleaned. You would have to examine the coin in hand to see them. So I opted to return it and continue to search for a decent price for an ms coin they're spendy!
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Don, they would dip it. Sorta controversial.
That thumbprint is probably maybe not going away.
If the other stains are toning, they should clean up ok. If they are a foreign substance acetone may or may not remove it.
It's a crapshoot, and this one would be tough.
I found the auction, the seller has 100% feedback. I feel he would certainly accept a return.
The reverse is nice. Looks 63+ to me all day.
He shot his pics head on. I would hesitate to call them photoshopped. Spud, you might shoot a couple head on to see what you get.
The math is not great. If it cleans up well and miraculously goes into a 63 holder, you gain maybe $100 in value. You are looking to put in your Dansco, so you may not get it regraded.
Reluctantly, I am in the "return it" column. Use that money to find a better example. Pain in the rump.
35-S is tough. Mine is still at "63" after trying to upgrade a couple of bargains.
There was a nice "64" listed on the Bay recently in a small ANACS holder for a good price. I would have jumped on it if I had not just blown my whole wad on a 32-S that is giving me heartburn. Similar situation, when I got it I was not super happy.
Jon
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So you are saying they would do what would garner a details grade if *I* did it.
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So you are saying they would do what would garner a details grade if *I* did it. Shhhhh! It's a secret! Nah, if done properly (not to excess and on the right piece) a modern piece will easily go into a holder. And NCS might have a few tricks other than EZest. They don't talk a lot. This one is out of my depth, it scares me. Not sure what the stain is, and fingerprints are notorious for not coming off. Someone else with more experience might understand the piece better. Of the coins I have dipped (I have posted some of my adventures on here) I have not regretted any of them, and they all have graded. But then I am very careful when selecting a candidate. There is a plethora of information on the subject, probably too much. Very time consuming to filter through. Strong opinions. The only time I got a details grade for dipping was a "dip residue" details. And funny thing, I DIDN'T DIP IT! Sorry for yelling, I get excited some times . . . . I promptly cracked it out, dipped it to remove the dip residue (which I couldn't see, and must have been from a previous owner that didn't rinse properly) and resubmitted. Came back in a 65 holder. I don't like it much either, but I didn't make the rules . . . Jon |
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SEND BACK. Not worth what you paid. Just send it back. You'll find others in better shape.
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And NCS might have a few tricks other than EZest. They don't talk a lot. They've got some terrific tricks. The ability to use heat with scientifically-relevant accuracy and control really enhances the efficacy of certain chemicals, and you can assume that they're past masters with electrolysis. |
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Heat! Electrolysis! Gasp! Shudder!!  Hmmmm . . . I wonder if I could intern over there. |
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