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Valued Member
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Yeah I'm sure it's not on the plastic. Gonna contact the seller today. Thanks guys for your advice!
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Moderator
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OTOH this might be a prime candidate for conservation - from a technical standpoint, color aside, that's a lot more than a 61 obverse. If you return, strongly recommend that the seller pressure NGC for a reevaluation of the grade and/or conservation. I'm astonished that this got into a righteous slab - that's Environmental Damage to me.
Edit to add: I'm not surprised the fingerprint didn't show in the seller's images. They're like hairlines, and don't appear in all light. Heck, if he's a high-volume dealer, it's not unreasonable to think he never even saw the print.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not sure what they could do for conservation. All the acetone in the world isn't going to fix that thumb print. Maybe those other spots, but I doubt that as well.
What could they do that would not be considered cleaning?
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Valued Member
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As far as conservation using acetone, like is said I've done it once and had good success. This coin did have some hairline scratches that didn't show on his or my pictures. It looked like someone had slightly tried to rub off the stain on the left side of the coin. I'm surprised NGC didn't designate it MS details/cleaned. You would have to examine the coin in hand to see them. So I opted to return it and continue to search for a decent price for an ms coin they're spendy!
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Pillar of the Community
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Don, they would dip it. Sorta controversial.
That thumbprint is probably maybe not going away.
If the other stains are toning, they should clean up ok. If they are a foreign substance acetone may or may not remove it.
It's a crapshoot, and this one would be tough.
I found the auction, the seller has 100% feedback. I feel he would certainly accept a return.
The reverse is nice. Looks 63+ to me all day.
He shot his pics head on. I would hesitate to call them photoshopped. Spud, you might shoot a couple head on to see what you get.
The math is not great. If it cleans up well and miraculously goes into a 63 holder, you gain maybe $100 in value. You are looking to put in your Dansco, so you may not get it regraded.
Reluctantly, I am in the "return it" column. Use that money to find a better example. Pain in the rump.
35-S is tough. Mine is still at "63" after trying to upgrade a couple of bargains.
There was a nice "64" listed on the Bay recently in a small ANACS holder for a good price. I would have jumped on it if I had not just blown my whole wad on a 32-S that is giving me heartburn. Similar situation, when I got it I was not super happy. Jon
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Pillar of the Community
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So you are saying they would do what would garner a details grade if *I* did it.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: So you are saying they would do what would garner a details grade if *I* did it. Shhhhh! It's a secret! Nah, if done properly (not to excess and on the right piece) a modern piece will easily go into a holder. And NCS might have a few tricks other than EZest. They don't talk a lot. This one is out of my depth, it scares me. Not sure what the stain is, and fingerprints are notorious for not coming off. Someone else with more experience might understand the piece better. Of the coins I have dipped (I have posted some of my adventures on here) I have not regretted any of them, and they all have graded. But then I am very careful when selecting a candidate. There is a plethora of information on the subject, probably too much. Very time consuming to filter through. Strong opinions. The only time I got a details grade for dipping was a "dip residue" details. And funny thing, I DIDN'T DIP IT! Sorry for yelling, I get excited some times . . . . I promptly cracked it out, dipped it to remove the dip residue (which I couldn't see, and must have been from a previous owner that didn't rinse properly) and resubmitted. Came back in a 65 holder. I don't like it much either, but I didn't make the rules . . . Jon
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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SEND BACK. Not worth what you paid. Just send it back. You'll find others in better shape.
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Quote: And NCS might have a few tricks other than EZest. They don't talk a lot. They've got some terrific tricks. The ability to use heat with scientifically-relevant accuracy and control really enhances the efficacy of certain chemicals, and you can assume that they're past masters with electrolysis.
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Pillar of the Community
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Heat! Electrolysis! Gasp! Shudder!!  Hmmmm . . . I wonder if I could intern over there.
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Pillar of the Community
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Send it back
If it only had one problem you might be ont he fence but 2 problems no way.
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Pillar of the Community
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I am just wondering what would you state as your reason for the return. Did he describe it as other than an MS61 with toning? Did he show one coin and send you another?
Or is it just that he is a better photographer and can take a picture that accents the positives and down plays the negatives?
You said you paid $190 for this.
Numismedia lists a 1935-D at $172.50 at AU58
in MS60 $216.00 in MS61 $228.00
you paid $32 less than list. It is not the most beautiful coin but MS61 seldom are beautiful.
From here it looks like you paid the price for an AU and are upset that you did not receive a MS63.
Just my opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
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I would suggest that the photo was done "too well". While not shopped, the seller lit the piece and almost certainly turned the lights to make the coin appear nicer than it really is. I do the same thing.
But I do try not to deceive. Maybe the seller got lucky.
There is a fine line and certainly not black and white.
I am currently struggling with the same dilemma. I recently bought a "63" coin from a flattering photo that completely obscured a meteor strike to the nose. I pulled it out and as Charlie Brown would say; "Rats!". I will decide today whether to flip it or return it. Problem being that if/when I sell it I will feel quite obligated to portray it accurately.
So I may not recoup my cost. That is why I am considering a return. Yes, it is a 63, but not the 63 that I want and thought I was getting.
I have only returned one coin ever. And it was the completely wrong coin. Most of the time condition can be accurately assessed by the photograph.
Edited by Jon K 10/11/2014 12:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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It's in a 61 holder because that's what NGC thought it should be AT THE TIME THEY GRADED IT.
If you get it cleaned, conserved (whatever they call it now) it might go higher or it might get the "details" treatment.
It is a crapshoot. To me it is not worth the gamble. Send it back.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: If you get it cleaned, conserved (whatever they call it now) it might go higher or it might get the "details" treatment. I was under the impression that if it gets conserved and goes "details" or a lower grade that the guarantee would kick in. Both PCGS and NGC/NCS. I have never used either service, but I researched PCGS a while back and seems I was pretty clear that they would guarantee the grade after conservation.
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