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1923 Peace Dollar You Vs ANACS

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Originally took pics there, here are some updated pics, not much better but helps. What do you think this scored as?
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 Posted 12/10/2007  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bonham3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's difficult sometimes with a slab
as I like to see the edges. Peace dollars
are nice but not a great strike on most.
i'll give it a middle to high AU
basing that on the coin itself not that it
is a light strike.
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 Posted 12/10/2007  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InfiniteInterest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I'll bite......I am gonna say weak as usual strike, very nice clean coin from the pics. Without being able to see luster breaks that would make it AU, I would give it an MS-64 in an ANACS slab.
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 Posted 12/11/2007  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm looking at a fairly decent strike for the series. "Peace" is full and distinct. There is no fade-out on any of the devices. The only mark I see is in "America" on the reverse. My guess from the pictures is MS-64.
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 Posted 12/11/2007  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As pointed out, these tend to be weakly struck making them hard to grade, especially in a slab. So, if the area of hair high above the ear and the rear talon are wear,
au-55. If weak strike MS-63/64. The marks on the check would keep me from grading it any higher.
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I'm guessing the weak strike all of the way. Espcially above the talons. The fields are tremendous from the photos. I would say MS64 easy. But, alas, I stink at this game......
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 Posted 12/11/2007  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think there is a little more chatter on the cheek than the picture is showing .

MS-63

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For those who want to compare the strength of the devices ... here's an NGC-64.

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I'm with the 63/64 crown for all the same reasons. I am leaning towards an MS-64.

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my first impression was MS-63 (even though I usually try to stay away from these things with all my being) and have to say the strike is very strong for the Peace series, they are usually so weakly struck I just can't tell a MS coin from a XF coin. All that being said I think I will go with the consensus and say 63/64
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Awe C'mon Bryan, don't be afraid.

They are very tough based on a photo. Their design lacks the unique high points that the Morgan or Walking Liberty half have. Some times the only way to distinguish MS from AU is to rotate the coin in the light to see where the luster breaks are. This is compounded by the notoriously weak strike on most (except the '21).

I read between the lines on this one ... a common date in an ANACs holder ... 99% of the time it's MS. Now Sleaklight is going to tell me it's a holdered AU.
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lol, better yet, I am going to tell you it's in a shocking MS 60 DETAILS Holder! Though it never got cleaned when it was with me and there are no hairline scratches on it. You think they got it wrong? I'll post pics of the holder later on when I crawl to my laptop.
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All of you saying that is a weak strike are WAY off base. That is a hammered strike...even for a 23. With the glare its hard to tell if there is full feather definition but it looks like its all there.

The coin looks like it is devoid of luster from the photos and I'm guessing thats why its in a problem slab.

If the coin had booming luster it would be a lock at 65, although the photos disguise the cheek area well.

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looks very lusterous in hand. Sorry for my lousy pictures. I am no good picturing through slabs Here's some room light pictures taken just now. MS 60 Details. One or two of you came close, the others were too high! [:p]


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I am shocked.

I have a 1923 with the same die break/crack across the neck. I have found examples with the same die break/crack in 1922 also. I have looked to see if there was a particular VAM for this coin and I found a few VAM's that had this feature but were recognized for another one. If you have any information on this one please share.

Thanks,

Jim
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 Posted 12/11/2007  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sleak,

I would crack that sucker out of that slab. Not to resubmit because it is a common date and probably not worth it. But from your updated photos I see nothing about that coin that indicates it was cleaned and I feel it is a strong 64/65.

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