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Pretty sure there is a clash going on here. Tried an overlay which seems to confirm ( couldn't remember on the overlay to rotate the image 180 then flip vertically which is what I did or rotate 180 then flip horizontally-if someone will confirm which way, I will write it down this time). Thanks!    *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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That is one very sweeeet coin. :)
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Rest in Peace
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I have to agree, nice die clash.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice clash but also very nice condition Half Cent. Wrong catagory cause its no way modern but still great coin to show off ;) |
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Yep, wrong category, maybe mod will move.
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jprine - clash on a Half Cent is too cool! Was wondering about the orientation of the overlay. Currently seems to show medal orientation. Is that what you were going for? Not to familiar with the Half Cent, but thought they had a coin orientation to them. Which would mean rotating the overlay 180 degrees. I think your description of the overlay process (rotate the image 180 then flip vertically) is right if the overlay image started out facing up before being applied to the second image facing up. I could be wrong and probably messed up the explanation. Thanks, Doug. edit: I'm still in learning mode about overlays so I'm trying to get it right.... Adding that applies to coin orientation and not medal orientation, which I think would skip the rotation step. Edited by Halo1st
09/08/2015 11:15 am
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Could this clash be considered a variety? Since die cracks, for example, contribute to some VAM numeric designations why couldn't a 1/2 cent clash also have its own varietal classification? After all, both involve some aspect of the die etc... |
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Interesting thought! Any opinions..........
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Bedrock of the Community
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Very interesting. I think the author has the overlay orientation correct.
Edited by Coinfrog
09/14/2015 4:20 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:Could this clash be considered a variety? Since die cracks, for example, contribute to some VAM numeric designations why couldn't a 1/2 cent clash also have its own varietal classification? No. If you have a pair of dies striking coins that is a specific variety. Just because those two dies come together without a planchet between them does NOT make subsequent coins from those des a different variety. A different die state yes, but not a different varety. Die cracks can be used as identifying features for a variety sometimes (because sometimes a variety always comes with a given crack and no two cracks are identical.) but clash marks should never be used to identify a variety because you can have a pair of dies with no clash, with a clash, and then after the clash has either worn or been polished off. Coins struck from all three of these are all the same variety, just different stages. Or you can two pair of dies and both pairs clash. Both pairswill produce coins with identical or near identical clashmarks but they are different varieties. That is one of the problems with VAM's sometimes. For awhile they were giving VAM variety number based solely on clashmarks. If the clashmarks fade the VAM goes away. |
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I agree, die clashes are an error and not a variety. The only distinction that I make is the modern die clash which is 1836 to present and the die clash that was not a mechanical error; pre 1836 for U. S. coins. As for overlays; U. S. coins and other foreign countries using the coin strike die position, 180 degrees between the obverse and reverse faces and then flipped horizontally. Countries that use the medallic strike die position, just flipped horizontally.  Just for my curiosity, I did an overlay. Turns out that there was a rotation of 12 degrees between the two dies when they clashed. BJ Neff Edited by BJ Neff
09/15/2015 10:47 am
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Try flipping like this-then match up  |
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BJ, you were correct on the rotation. Thanks for clarifying the rotation and flip for the overlay, I was completely wrong. I won't make that mistake again, hopefully. Thanks!   |
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Well explained Condor ...... I agree.
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Posted 09/07/2015 7:31 pm
