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 United States
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Was just going through pricing some Soviet pieces, could not believe the amount of unmarked counterfeits of Russian/Soviet pieces out there... At least this seller does acknowledge his pieces are copies: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIA-USSR...em4d38d445c8However, many pieces being listed from Eastern Europe/Russia are not being mentioned as copies... Buyer Beware! |
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Valued Member
United States
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guess chinas gettin on the russian bandwagon too
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Australia
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The coin in the link has already been removed but there are a lot more counterfeits than you would think. In particular 1942 10 and 15 kopek counterfeits are extremely deceiving. This is the key date of the Soviet coinage. There is a Czech seller that he has changed his username a few times as I have pinned him down a couple of times. Of course ebay refuses to listen to what I wrote and continues to let him fraud others. I wouldn't be too surprised when his sales are easily in the 1000 dollar mark monthly and ebay takes a 10% cut. That seemed to be a lot more important. It is now a buyers beware market, not a buyers bargain market. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I usually skip anything that looks fake in the imperial/soviet area. Although, it's not hard to tell if it is fake.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Gx, I am pretty sure I know which seller you are referring to, I have seen numerous questionable key dates coming from that area... Quote:
Although, it's not hard to tell if it is fake. I have to strongly disagree... While there are some easy to detect bad fakes with some of Empire issues, there are some fantastic counterfeits out there... In addition, the very scarce Soviet pieces post 1960 have an extraordinarily simple design, which makes many of the counterfeits of these even more difficult to spot, especially coupled with low resolution photos |
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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If I'm correct, these are actually NOT modern chinese counterfeits we're talking about, but instead actual Russians counterfeiting their own currency. The quality of these counterfeits are astonishing.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I note the seller describes these "coins" as "souvenir tokens."
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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It doesn't matter where the counterfeits originate from. They are still copies. While this is easy to tell, some are significantally harder to tell.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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United States
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is there info out there in detecting russian fakes? I collect war years, and didnt know they were counterfiting things as new as stuff from the 40s that arent even silver.
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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For these coins I'd say exceptionally good quality typically with cameo and really sharp details. Basically a coin that is too good to be true.
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United States
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I must admit that the frequency of Russian fakes is so high, I avoid them altogether... which says a lot because I will gladly touch almost anything with an '82. Even the certified stuff I am hesitant on just because there is so much out there that law of averages says I can still get burned :( Seems hypocritical of myself considering how excited I get for Reales, and those are "never" faked...
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Russian Federation
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I must admit that the frequency of Russian fakes is so high, I avoid them altogether... which says a lot because I will gladly touch almost anything with an '82. Wait, do you have no Russian coins in that set? I'm almost considering buying you some fillers of the "too worthless to fake" sort. The only problem is, I'm pretty sure they're illegal to send by mail (except perhaps if they're from the last few decades). And if you had to pick them up yourself anyway, you might just as easily buy some personally. |
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I know, its really sad I don't even have a single one as of yet. I would be amused by some fakes knowing they are such. Would compliment the legit one for a better story when I get there. My ebay watch list has a handful of things from 1782 and 1882 for my own information. Some of those big silver dollar sized coins are beautiful, that's for sure. But with my limited budget because I just got married and my wife "doesn't get it," when I get the chance to get something, I usually go for something I don't have to worry about. There's a really cool Nepal coin up right now and the El Cazador set is slowly coming together. Heritage is also good for something unusual too. Just so many other options! Fakes are as much a part of numismatic history as the legit stuff is. Without the bogus crap, we might not appreciate the real stuff as much, and those who have spent years studying the nuances of coins would have nothing to do. lol Edited by Collects82
11/10/2015 6:32 pm
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Russian Federation
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Oh, large silver.
I get your idea then. I thought you were talking about small copper (and large copper, and, come to think of it, small silver - neither seems to be uncommon for 1882 except for some generally uncommon denominations, and there was apparently no small copper or small silver made in 1782 but the large copper is fairly common).
I'm not buying large silver because I couldn't afford to anyway (I'm well aware of "too good to be true", but prices are such that all I could afford is either that or the occasional especially bad cull).
There are only two Russian large silvers in my collection; one I bought back in 2011 when I just started out, the other is about as low grade as they get with an identifiable date (and also holed, and IIRC also damaged in some other way).
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Regardless of how the Russian law states that a citizen cannot export something that is older than 50 years old - I have bought from sellers that did sell some Imperial Russian coins and mailed out from Russia.
Nevertheless, the level of counterfeit threat is rising. Some counterfeits are so good, you cannot just judge from photos alone.
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Posted 10/02/2015 7:33 pm
