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Wheat Cent Reverses. How To Identify A DDR On Them?

 
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 Posted 04/01/2016  9:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
How do you tell if there is hub doubling on the reverse of your wheat cents?
A couple of things will help by knowing where to look for this on the cents. The first place I look is on the dots on the E PPLURIBUS UNUM. That is not just the only area to look, but a great place to start.

Doubling on EPU:



Looking at the doubling in 3-D helps us appreciate the hub doubling:




Mild doubling on EPU:





Medium doubling on EPU:







Strong doubling on EPU:









Doubling on ONE CENT:






Doubling on UNITED STATES:












Doubling on the Left or Right Wheat lines:




Doubling on the Wheat grains:






Doubling on the stems:



So knowing where to look for hub doubling will help you to find the many wheat doubled die reverses. Happy hunting.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
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 Posted 04/02/2016  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sudz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, you taught me a long time ago about checking for elongated dots in EPU and I have found 100's of DDR's by checking for that first. Thanks, as always, for all of your help.
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 Posted 04/02/2016  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slamnbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you brought this up cause I always had a question on this-I too always look at the dots first but am I right in having always thought that it could be a DDR and also NOT have elongated dots? Is that correct?
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 Posted 04/02/2016  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is true. It may affect other areas of the die. But most often the EPU is the first sign. That 1956 Proof DDR is crazy. I would love to see more images of that one.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/02/2016  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coop thanks once more, I'm just going through my cent to look for ddrs, these is a great help.
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 Posted 04/02/2016  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tommyjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop, This is a very weak area for me and this post is awesome as usual. Still trying to understand the meaning of spreads on the devices and this helps.
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 Posted 04/24/2016  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add domys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
excellent read....posting some possible wheat dd soon
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 Posted 04/24/2016  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The spread is the differences between the hubbing making the devices wider or slight larger than normal. The die is showing two different hubbings/two different hubs. The enlargement of the devices is called spread.



Note the spread is enlarged more on the first devices, then reduced a bit on later examples?




Again note the fist example is stronger (1972P-1DO-001)
Second one not as strong. (1972P-1DO-002)
The third is weaker. (1972P-1DO-003)
What makes them stronger and weaker? The spread of the hubbing
Spread can be a separation of the devices, or just an enlargement of devices. Depending on how the doubled die happened.
Class 6 doubled dies are different because the spread is uneven across the devices.

Note the 944 is different from each of these doubled dies. Three are class 6, the first one is just a normal coin. The spread is different so you can tell they are from different dies.
Hope this helps.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/25/2016  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NDCENT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks.This is an amazing post,because older wheaties are hard to decipher.
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 Posted 04/25/2016  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot easier when you know what to look for. Certain areas are usually affected. When you find you have a normal coin in those areas, it is a lot easier to move on to the next coin.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 07/23/2016  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop thread RSC

Added this to make searching easier.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 03/13/2017  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/10/2019  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sarge50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fantastic!
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