Ebay Seller Blackmail?

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If a buyer completes their part of the transaction in a timely manner that is when you should rate their half of the transaction.

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100/100

Well...I for one have never asked a rating from a seller. Conversely, I simply skip rating any seller whom I've contacted to resolve a problem and it appears they have issues. That's the downside of trying to hold all the cards. Maybe some think the "bad buyers" deserve it, but other people who conduct their business legitimately get fed up. I don't have to play those games with people--and they won't get my repeat business

Then again, this whole topic shouldn't be about buyer vs. seller--it's about establishing a reasonable buyer--seller relationship so these issues don't get out of control. If a buyer or seller is constantly butting heads with people, they need to step back and rethink their approach. That is, if they care.

"dcarver - Please explain how the new policy encourages buyer to pay quicker. I feel it is just the opposite...buyers who want to pay slower or not at all can now do so without fear of receiving negative feedback."

i was asked to explain and I will...I'm now rewarded for paying...simply put. I'm not judged on some stupid seller's version of what constitutes a good transaction from their vantage point only. the buyer's job is to pay within the rules of time. if the buyer does that then they should receive their positive feedback and the seller should likewise receive theirs when the item is received in the manner with which it was advertised. what's hard to understand about that?
too many loopholes and silly control issues are happening with the current system...one thing is for sure if the new policy doesn't work then it can be restructured again...no one is saying this new policy is perfect...we do live on planet earth where nothing is perfect.

I do like the idea of revealing feedback only after both parties have left it! However, I have lef untold positive feedback as a buyer that has never been reciprocated. However, as a buyer that tends to pay within a few minutes (I guess hours if the auction closes at a weird time) I resent the idea that the seller can "hold me hostage". I have NEVER returned an item (I have over 500 positives as a buyer and untold numbers of total transactions, member since 1996). A few weeks ago I bought an item for $18 which had $4 shipping (total $22). The seller said no Paypal under $20 (not written in the auction). I was out of checks and was in the middle of an order. It took me a while to pay, much longer than normal. Anyway, the description said the coin (proof) is so shiny that a good picture is not possible turned out to be so dirty and toned. I did not return it, I sucked it up. I really wanted to send a negative, but did not for fear of a negative as the seller did not leave any feedback.

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Why would you do that? Surely if you get the check the next day that is a good thing?

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Because you have one lousy responsibility and you blew it and wasted my time. My listing very clearly states no checks. You're negged OK?

Every single week we list, at least one buyer doesn't read the listing.

So did you neg the buyer before or after you cashed the check ?

and would you be happy with a retaliatory negative even though I'm the one who messed up .

As with any widely used exchange venue ebay Attracts good and bad people. The Buyer has by far the most control and power of any transaction on ebay. This tends to be attractive to the less morally inclined amongst the general population. Scamers and the dishonest are always looking for ways to rip people off and ebay provides a good venue for both sides the buyers and the sellers. The feedback number does not count much for me its the content that counts. A good seller can have really bad feedback. All it takes is a vindictive buyer. If you actually read the feedback its not hard to determine whats going on. With the new rules the good sellers are going to suffer as they will not be able to address this kind of feedback. Lets take the Check (Cheque) example I go to a public Auction and Fill out a bid card. On the card it clearly states no personal checks. I bid on my fake tiffany lamp and win it. At the End of the auction I go to the cashiers desk and hand over a personal check. The Auction company get upset arguments ensue (Verbal Feedback is exchanged)and I up in cuffs and carted away by the boys in blue. This is a little extreme but I have seen close to this at live auctions. ebay should be no different. If the buyer is to bid on an item he needs to be aware of what he needs to do to complete the contract should he be successful. If all the contract details are not specified; Such as shipping or payment methods then he should walk away and not bid. This means that the seller has to be very specific in the auctions. The good ebay sellers are. The buyer has ultimate control on ebay. If I see a blurry coin picture I should walk away and look for a better one. There are people however who will look at the text of the auction and see 'Beautiful','high grade','Perfect' and bid. I have no sympathy for them as they doing nothing but gambling. The seller is playing on greed and the buyer is also. A good seller will have clear pictures a clear description and include all the needed contract information. Even then its up to the buyer to check everything and make sure they agree before entering into a contract. This will never really happen on ebay as its just to easy to look, click and save the worry for later.. Good Sellers have to work really hard to stand out on ebay Bad ones need do very little. EBays new feedback rules will not affect the bad sellers very much but the good will surely suffer. The buyer will no longer be able to judge is the negative feedback given to a seller was really warranted. Forgive my rambling but I feel very strongly that buyers should take responsibility for their actions when the click the button. They have far more protection than the sellers.

First of all, I want to clarify that we DO ACCEPT checks from established customers and CCF members. No one here was in violation of anything.

I have considered this issue from both sides and what it amounts to is that I can continue to list on ebay or not. Aside from the new feedback system, I don't want to pay the new fees. Also, I prefer to be able to offer better deals to our members here and I enjoy transacting business with all of you.

I am definitely leaning toward not listing on ebay any longer except for occasionally when I have an item that is high-priced and members of the forum have not shown an interest. I plan to offer all items to our members first. To me, that's the best way to go.

It is up to ebay how they run their venue. All we can do is decide whether we want to play by their rules or not. Personally, I'm not even upset about their changes any longer. We're working on setting up our CCF Numismatics site and I probably should have done this a long time ago anyway.