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Coins Of India - Bull And Horseman Coins And Some Variants

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 Posted 04/16/2020  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ramgu2005 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello guys, can you help me to ID the correct type of my coin?


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 Posted 04/17/2020  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drnsreedhar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear ramgu2005,
Welcome to CCF. Your coin seems to be the typical "Samantadeva" type. On the obv. there is a couchant bull to the left. Nagari script above reads "Samantadeva". On the rev. there is a horseman to the right. The devices seen above and to its right look like this other coin, classified as Samantadeva, at least until otherwise proved.
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 Posted 07/03/2020  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@drnsreedhar (and others), I recently picked up this copper bull and horseman that was attributed as Rupachandra Deva (12 mm, 3.3 g). When I compare mine to yours on page 5 of this thread, I'm not completely sure that I agree as so much of the legend is off-flan. It definitely has the style of the Kangra, but I'm less certain of the ruler. I note that the jhula is empty. Also, I can convince myself that the back of the bull might have part of an upside down trisul on it, which suggests Apurvachandra. What is your learned opinion?





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 Posted 07/04/2020  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drnsreedhar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear Spence,
I think you are right. Bull and horseman coins of Kangra have legends "samantadeva" on one side and name of the ruler on the other. As far as I have seen, Rupachandra coins have name of ruler on the horseman side and Apurvachandra issues above the bull. On your coin unfortunately "samantadeva" legend also is off-flan. So it could be either Apurva (if samanta is on horseman side) and Rupachandra if otherwise.
But by the design on the back of the bull, it resembles Apurvachandra. So more possibility is for Apurvachandra. Thanks.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok excellent. Thx for providing your opinion on this!
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 Posted 08/05/2020  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wdpayne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up this coin in a group of coins recently. I think that it is early Islamic of the bull & horseman type. The legend appears to be Arabic. This coin is larger than most of these - a little larger than a US quarter. Any ideas?


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 Posted 08/05/2020  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comparison of the coin above with Seljuq coins of Kaykhusraw I and Rukn al-din Suleiman. Perhaps echizento or Kushanshah will pin it down further...they are both good at these.

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 Posted 08/06/2020  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it's a coin of the Seljuqs of Rum, Suleiman Shah as Malik of Toqat, before becoming Sultan. The reverse reads al-malik al-qahir Suleiman Shah bin Qilij Arslan. I don't believe that there is any direct connection between this type and the bull and horseman jitals. However, both the Shahi dynasty of Kabul, which introduced the bull and horseman coins, and the Rum Seljuq dynasty are descended from nomadic Turkic tribes of the Eurasian steppe, to whom horsemanship was of central importance.
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 Posted Yesterday  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wdpayne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!! I'll have to learn some more about this dynasty and its coins.
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