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 Posted 08/30/2017  8:40 pm Show Profile   Check TNG's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These must be pretty common even though I understand they were only minted for one year. Been in my odd ball world coins and figure it will finally be cataloged and kept.
No idea what it's worth or the grade.
If I had to guess, it might be a copper equivalent to 10 cents and worth three bucks?
It is about the size of a US Half Dollar.
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 Posted 08/30/2017  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@TNG, that 10 Centimos is in pretty good condition (well, anyways better than mine below). According to my 1999 edition of Krause, there were 170,086 other of these pieces minted.


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Well, we know where two of them are now. 170,084 to go.
Thanks for the mintage figure. Apparently they were used.
Wonder what was before and after 1870 since these are 1 year coins?
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170,086 should be 170,086,000
Numista says 170,088,000

These coins are very common despite their age, but are also commonly very worn. It's not common to see them in such good condition. They were indeed a one-year-type but since the new Peseta was issued then, plenty of pieces had to be issued initially. The 5 Centimos piece has a mintage of over 200 million.
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The bronze 10 centimos and 5 centimos coins were nicknamed the 'perra gorda' and 'perra chica'. Together with later coins of the same size featuring a portrait of King Alfonso XII, they were only replaced by smaller aluminium coins in 1940. They were demonetised in 1942, and, according to a book I've got on the history of Spanish railways, the 800 tons of copper obtained from the withdrawn coins was used to make overhead wire to electrify the railway line from Madrid to Avila!
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Wonder what was before and after 1870 since these are 1 year coins?


Prior to this Spain employed four different monetary systems over the tumultuous 25 year reign of Queen Isabel II. From 1864 to 1868 the monetary unit was the escudo and its fractions, centimos de escudo. Following Isabel's overthrow and flight from Spain in late 1868 a provisional government quickly approved another monetary reform, establishing the peseta as the monetary unit, with centimos de peseta as its fractions.

Although Isabel II was not a great leader, the true source of chaos both during her reign and for some years after were the many political factions that fought bitterly for control. The Spaniards who planned so carefully to overthrow Isabel II could not agree on what to do after she left. After some discussion, the Cortes (parliament) invited Prince Amadeo of Italy to become King Amadeo I of Spain in 1870. However, those many factions combined with the occasional assassination attempt ultimately proved too much. In 1873, after abdicating he famously proclaimed the Spanish people ungovernable.

In 1875 Alfonso XII, the son of Isabel II, became King of Spain and the coinage henceforth bore his likeness. Unlike his mother, Alfonso XII was well educated and proved to be a popular and productive king until his death at a relatively young age in 1885.

So there's the history surrounding these coins. I'm less familiar with the coinage itself after Isabel II than during her era, but I believe the short answer is that the Oeschger Mesdach & Co. workshops under contract with Spain minted the copper coinage of 1870 in large quantity without changing the date until 1875 when new coinage was issued for King Alfonso XII.
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PatAR NumisRob X2an cara and Spence !
Thank you for the posts. I like my coin a lot better now, with the info given but we are unfortunately going to have to cancel the countdown.

I would have given that first figure a shot but 170 million, naw .... I give up.
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 Posted 09/01/2017  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

illustrating.
*perra chica*
1870 España
5 centimos

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