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1596 Livonia 3 Groshen With Rim To Rim Die Crack

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Spence Moderator United States 18302 Posts	Posted 09/15/2017 9:24 pm Why should those guys who collect modern US and Canadian coins have all the fun pointing out minting errors? After seeing this coin in my collection, I got to thinking about another CCF thread: http://goccf.com/t/296029 Similarly to that LMC, this 3 groschen has a die crack on the obv that almost bisects the coin. The attribution is Kopicki #8192. Of course, when you are making coins by hand and relying on an ill-paid and illiterate workforce, the coins that have no errors are in the minority. In this case, the dude at the Livonian mint also managed to get the rev die about 10% off of the flan. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff

Bob L Pillar of the Community United States 5532 Posts	Posted 09/15/2017 10:02 pm Cool coin, Dave. I was going to make a crack (get it?) about a splitting headache (get it, #2?), but thought the better of it. Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23416 Posts	Posted 09/15/2017 10:10 pm That's a big die crack. Very nice error coin, it adds character to the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Crazyb0 Rest in Peace 10197 Posts	Posted 09/16/2017 12:18 am Hate to "Burst your Bubble", but just may not be a die crack. Something that size is most often what is called a "Corrosion Ridge" as seen on this Korean coin. Not saying it isn't a big plumber's crack, especially since of hand stamp process, just something to ponder back at ya! Edited by Crazyb0 09/16/2017 12:20 am Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 18302 Posts	Posted 09/16/2017 07:35 am Thanks guys. @crazyb0, I am not familiar with this term "corrosion ridge". Is it just what it seems to be--a linear region where the surface of the coin is raised due to expansion from the corrosion products? I see that on your Korean coin, the ridge includes features from the original strike as it cuts through the inscription. Is this a key feature of this phenomenon? "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Bob L Pillar of the Community United States 5532 Posts	Posted 09/16/2017 09:01 am Spence, I think your bubble is intact. Here's another groschen made from the same cracked die, from Ma-shops. That "ill-paid and illiterate workforce" continued to use that broken die for at least a second coin, it seems. Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Bedrock of the Community United States 17900 Posts	Posted 09/16/2017 09:15 am A wonderful example. This looks like a major die crack, especially considering the second example. Report this Post to the Staff
giedrius Valued Member Lithuania 363 Posts	Posted 09/17/2017 2:00 pm Nice coin. More about the Riga's three-groats 1596 https://fortresscatalogue.com/index...Coin_Details and the coins like Your https://wcn.pl/archive/141048?q=ryga+1596+ https://wcn.pl/archive/106782?q=ryga+1596+&page=2 https://wcn.pl/archive/104155?q=ryga+1596+&page=3 https://wcn.pl/archive/54_0420?q=ryga+1596+&page=3 https://wcn.pl/archive/10478?q=ryga+1596+&page=3 https://wcn.pl/archive/2766?q=ryga+1596+&page=4 Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866 Report this Post to the Staff
Bob L Pillar of the Community United States 5532 Posts	Posted 09/17/2017 2:16 pm Wow, good find, giedrius. A lot of coins struck with that damaged die. Remarkable, at least to me, that it wasn't pulled from use as soon as it was noticed. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 18302 Posts	Posted 09/17/2017 4:24 pm Thanks for the additional info @giedrius! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
orfew Pillar of the Community Canada 1264 Posts	Posted 09/17/2017 6:38 pm That is a very interesting coin. "Cave ab homine unius libri" Report this Post to the Staff
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