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1596 Livonia 3 Groshen With Rim To Rim Die Crack

 
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 Posted 09/15/2017  9:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Why should those guys who collect modern US and Canadian coins have all the fun pointing out minting errors?

After seeing this coin in my collection, I got to thinking about another CCF thread:

http://goccf.com/t/296029

Similarly to that LMC, this 3 groschen has a die crack on the obv that almost bisects the coin. The attribution is Kopicki #8192. Of course, when you are making coins by hand and relying on an ill-paid and illiterate workforce, the coins that have no errors are in the minority. In this case, the dude at the Livonian mint also managed to get the rev die about 10% off of the flan.


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 Posted 09/15/2017  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool coin, Dave. I was going to make a crack (get it?) about a splitting headache (get it, #2?), but thought the better of it.
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 Posted 09/15/2017  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a big die crack. Very nice error coin, it adds character to the coin.
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 Posted 09/16/2017  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to "Burst your Bubble", but just may not be a die crack. Something that size is most often what is called a "Corrosion Ridge" as seen on this Korean coin. Not saying it isn't a big plumber's crack, especially since of hand stamp process, just something to ponder




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Thanks guys.

@crazyb0, I am not familiar with this term "corrosion ridge". Is it just what it seems to be--a linear region where the surface of the coin is raised due to expansion from the corrosion products? I see that on your Korean coin, the ridge includes features from the original strike as it cuts through the inscription. Is this a key feature of this phenomenon?
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Spence, I think your bubble is intact. Here's another groschen made from the same cracked die, from Ma-shops. That "ill-paid and illiterate workforce" continued to use that broken die for at least a second coin, it seems.

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 Posted 09/16/2017  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A wonderful example. This looks like a major die crack, especially considering the second example.
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 Posted 09/17/2017  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, good find, giedrius. A lot of coins struck with that damaged die. Remarkable, at least to me, that it wasn't pulled from use as soon as it was noticed.
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Thanks for the additional info @giedrius!
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That is a very interesting coin.
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