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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Have you ever seen or been the poor shmo that has to pay for something with a great deal of change. I have. Payday is a couple days away, and your down to raiding the change jar. I don't particularly like the feeling. I like spending the coins even less! I am the type that hoards change for sorting and examining time to time. Now and again, if I have too much change, and have sorted out the 'good stuff', I will trade in the rest in bulk at a bank. Now that the mood is set... the point of my post: My brother in law met me at McDs for lunch today. I had about 30 dollar coins that I have been dead set on circulating. I have plenty of dough, but am circulating these coins as a statement***. He looks at my hand, with about 10 dollar coins, and says quote: Put those away, I got lunch. Things must be tight for you, keep your coins.
I said quote: No, these are for spending.
He says quote: Grown men that pay for anything costing more than a dollar with change, look like losers. Change is for putting in a jar, taking to the bank, or putting in the kid's piggy bank. Not for spending in public while keeping your dignity.
He was dead serious. I am pretty sure he was embarrassed that I was contemplating paying with change, and could possibly hold the line up. Maybe even make a spectacle of us by doing something so unusual as paying with coin. Did I mention the whole lunch started off with 'me buying'. Before it was over though, he ended up buying. I didn't want to embarrass him... Problem for me now is that I will remember this anytime I try to circulate gold dollars. So I will feel self conscious... darn it! I was having fun circulating those things too. Any thoughts? Is this why folks don't circulate halves or dollars? Does this say anything about us as a nation? Other countries have large denomination coins that are used with relative ease. Do you feel this when circulating large coin? Could this be another common sense reason to stop striking so many dollars? Never will happen though. People get them, but don't spend them. Govt makes huge coin! (Fun little pun intended!) Dave ***Statement of what, I haven't figured out yet!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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haaa Dave, I put the coins into the soft drink machine. I had a couple of searched nickel rolls, so I just started plunking those jeffersons into the slot. Two drinks and two later in a different machine took care of the problem. Now if I could find one that takes halves  although COSTCO took a roll of those once. My brother-in-laws are complete idiots. Wouldn't have lunch with them unless I was forced. Jim
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1208 Posts |
quote: My brother-in-laws are complete idiots. Wouldn't have lunch with them unless I was forced.
I work with mine. Actually, I employ him. These were dollars, and the reason I was having fun dispersing them was because I had a mix to confuse the most professional cashier.  I had Prezes, Sacs, AND SBAs all mixed and in different levels of luster/toning. Poke-your-eye-out faux gold, shiny clad, and chocolate nasty toned Sacs. I was making sure they were well mixed too, as I would hand them out. Actually didn't phase too many cashiers... but it was fun trying! I went to Firehouse Subs with another employee a week or so ago. I was dispersing about 10 bux in junk halves that day. I tried to pay for my sub with them. The cashier didn't know what they were, and was about to refuse them! Anyway, she didn't have to. The guy I was there with saw them and went apes**t over them. He whipped out cash and bought them off me right there. Said he "collects" them. I didn't have the heart to tell him I had already searched them and they were only the smooth rim junk I had left over. He was so happy to get them.
Edited by ratio411 05/08/2008 12:05 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't think there should be any problem if the coins are rolled or if the coins were halves and dollar coins. Paying in loose change is a different story. It can take a long time for both the person paying and the cashier to count up the amount. I've been on the receiving end of a $20 payment mostly in quarters.
I actually tried to pay with a $5 roll of dimes on campus yesterday. She started to unwrap the roll to give me the dimes back. I told her I'd rather have dollars so I didn't have to carry the dimes around. She told me she didn't have enough money. I was only buying a couple of envelopes. The total was only maybe 90 cents. I looked at her and said, "You really don't have four dollars in your till!?" It was first thing in the morning when the till drawer should have been fully stocked. She said something about not wanting to run out. Well what in the heck would she have done if I'd paid in paper money say with a five or a twenty? Would she still tell me too bad?
I'm actually starting to wonder if the campus has some sort of policy on this. Any time I go to pay with rolled coin they always start to open the rolls to give me the change back in coin. Most of the time I ask for dollars and they'll give them to me but enough of them have given me grief with "Well we're not supposed to..." Coins are legal tender the same as paper currency...no reason businesses should refuse to accept it.
Another problem I've had in paying with halves is that no one knows what denomination it is. "These are dollars right?" "No they're half dollars." Then I usually get some comment about how uncommon/rare the coins are or they'll ask where I got them.
Edited by arthrene 05/08/2008 12:10 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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quote: Grown men that pay for anything costing more than a dollar with change, look like losers.
Loser?  I actually consider it thoughtful to pay businesses with change because it saves them trips to the bank. quote: Not for spending in public while keeping your dignity.
Yeah...I've met guys like this, and they often work in sales(often like to be showy). quote: Does this say anything about us as a nation?
Probably. In some countries, frugality and pragmatism are seen as virtues. Not so in the USA--well at least right now, lol.
Edited by KurtS 05/08/2008 02:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1040 Posts |
In Oz we actually have a law that stipulates how much you may pay in any one denomination.
1c & 2c to a max of 20c (no 1 & 2 cents in circulation any more though) 5c, 10c, 20c, 50c to a max of $5 $1, $2, $5, $10 not to exceed 10x face value Any other denomination to any amount.
Not that it is usually enforced, but tellers can and often do refuse payment if outside these maximums.
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 Australia
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quote: I have plenty of dough, but am circulating these coins as a statement***.
***Statement of what, I haven't figured out yet!
How about, "Coins aren't worthless, and neither are people who use them to buy things."?
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
632 Posts |
I love spending dollar coins and halves along with two dollars bills. Its fun circulating them I think. And sometimes its just honestly easier to pay with these denominations and usually clerks like change because it saves them from breaking open rolls. I always try to pay with exact change since I have so much change from my job's tips. Burger at McDonalds. Dollar coin, nickle, four pennies. Mountain dew at gas sation. Dollar coin, quarter, four pennies. A trip to Walmart that adds up to $12.51. A ten, a two, a kenndy and a penny. Man I like dollars and halves and two dollar bills. Probably because its fun to be different.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
860 Posts |
Luckily $2 bills are considered good luck in the Mexican and Chinese restaurants locally, so I usually give one in the tip money and usually I see them cash it out to keep it. One place actually puts them on the wall as if they were Black Eagles $. It is fun! Dateless buffalos are fun to use also.
Jim
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6326 Posts |
Don't be bothered by your brother-in-law at all.......he's just a little ignorant about coins is all !.......maybe you could help "educate" him and then he'd realize his ignorant speech to you and probably apologize to ya !
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day, further to Latman's post: just by way of clarification, the limits he refers to, only relate to coins, not to the folding stuff.
Quote: "Have you ever seen or been the poor shmo that has to pay for something with a great deal of change." - I don't play cards often, or well. One night, some friends gathered, and for a change of pace, I introduced them to some card games played by Aborigines, that I had learned when I lived "in the bush". These games involved zero skill: just luck; but they're fast. Anyway, the card-Gods smiled on me, and I cleaned everyone out in a few hours. It was eleven days before I spent a note, and my spending in that period was conspicuously excessive - no point being a winner, if you've got nothing to show for it.
I like coins too, but I'm not sure that "making a statement" to a minimum-wage cashier is much of a statement. I think you need to set your sights higher. Perhaps: when your employee-brother-in-law's next pay-day comes up, pay him in coins ...
I've read previous threads about the less-common denominations in U.S.A. We have no such problems in Oz: our $1 & $2 coins were introduced to replace the $1 & $2 notes, and the transition was complete within weeks, for practical purposes.
Peter
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
965 Posts |
I can think of nothing better than buying lunch with change. 3 Twoonies can usually do the job. The only time I even have paper dollars is when I've just cashed in rolls that I searched, and I promptly go to another bank and buy more rolls.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1208 Posts |
My "statement" is along the lines of "Take that US Mint!". I spend coins on purpose that they want folks to hoard! My little way of not being one of the sheeple.  The trick is to find coins that have been hoarded, and return them to circulation. I have had luck in this area.
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Rest in Peace
United States
2884 Posts |
Interesting little article about Business's having to accept "Legal Tender" Money.............................. Q. I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal? A. The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy. I often save coins and bring them to the bank. I see no problem with paying for stuff with dollars, halves, quarters etc.. as long as the total amount is not to extreme and creating a long backup in a checkout line does not occur. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that a person can refuse to accept coins for debts over a certain dollar amount to prevent "revenge" payments in small coinage. I can't find anything to back that up. Mike
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Pillar of the Community
United States
632 Posts |
John Stewart had a guy on the TV a little while ago talking about getting rid of the penny. I thought it was going to be some sort of U.S. representative or U.S. Mint spokesperson. I thought I would learn something interesting and enlightening because I am for keeping the penny but like listening to alternatives. No, it was some dude who was head of some anti-penny fanclub. All he did was point out that the penny costs more to make than what its worth. (Which is pretty common knowledge, plus I don't know if thats the entire acurate picture since I've seen stats that say a penny's metallic composisition is worth .96 cents with the cost of manufactoring, bagging, and transporting the penny putting the cost of making a penny over 1 cent apiece. But I could be wrong.) His big arguement, and he stated it as his big arguement, is that pennies lengthen the time of purchases, and thus wasting all our time. Which I think is a stupid arguement. He even siad it was an average of like 1.2 seconds per a purchase. Big woop! Plus, everytime, I've been held up in line at Walmart it was some problem with the credit/debit card not going through. Not some dude paying for his purchase with a sock full of pennies. Retarded
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1208 Posts |
Elimist, I like the way you think!
I never thought about the "card machine is slow today" angle. That probably has wasted more time than a penny.
Good stuff.
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