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I know absolutely nothing about toning but looks like someone took a blowtorch to it a tad too long. The N in ONE looks a little scrunched and the rim looks like it has some issues. Take that for what its worth- not even worth Two Cents from a newbee. :-) Pretty merc though. |
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Ouch! That coin is AT, and a terrible job at that. I would imagine it was done as Iperry3 thought with the heat from a blowtorch, or they used some liquid chemical (like the 'coin-toner' garbage sold on ebay). Yechh!  Here's an example of a nice, naturally toned merc for ya.    Image:  1945mercobverse.jpg42.45 KB Image: 1945mercrevese.jpg40.5 KB |
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As thin as a dime is, if someone was to have heated it to bring that sort of color, the coloring would have easily appeared on the reverse. If both sides looked identical, I would agree with the torch theory, but I'm not so sure.
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The tone is dull and not very attractive in my opinion and it does not look natural. I think there is slight wear on Liberty's hair and the helmet wings and it does look like the N in ONE has a ding. As a common-date coin in less than BU condition, it has little premium over melt. You should be able to easily find a nicer example at low cost.
Now, that coin of Hadleydog's is another story! Nice!
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I love toned coins that a nice color and you can make out all details! It a gem to me. but ones taste is to good by one and others it maybe bad?  |
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Yeah, I like the look of it too, and I also like Hadley's better. I really love toned coins, but I'm trying to sharpen my ability to tell the difference between at and nt coins.
I've noticed on many nt certified coins, there is a "chipping" effect on the toning, like paint falling off. Like at 8:30 obverse on Hadley's coin.
I hardly ever see this effect on at coins. I also notice on nt coins a "shadow" effect sometimes around the date and letters.
Other than that, I have a hard time telling the difference.
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I've noticed on many nt certified coins, there is a "chipping" effect on the toning, like paint falling off. Like at 8:30 obverse on Hadley's coin.
I hardly ever see this effect on at coins. I also notice on nt coins a "shadow" effect sometimes around the date and letters.
The 'chipping' effect is actually an untoned area. The 'shadow' effect seen around the date and stars you mentioned is caused by the metal flow during striking.....metal has moved from the planchet to help 'fill in' the areas of relief and thus leave an area behind that has been stretched and tones differently.
Neither of these effects have to be on a coin for it to be natural, but they are good indicators of natural toning and are not easily replicated. Luster is also a good indicator, as most at'd coin have a 'flat', dead look to them.
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Here's a pic of the shadow effect...........  |
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Johnny and Hadleydog: Great discussion, and nice photos! I'll be looking through some of my toned coins looking for "chips" and shadows!  |
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Just a side thought: If the coin was in a BU roll for some time, the outside edge coins from the roll would turn more than the coins in the center. Looks like the outside edge of the coin in question on the reverse shows no toning on the rim. Which could happen with an aged BU roll.
I have found rolls of BU cents that OBV or REV was toned and the other not. I've found several of them in the same roll on the inside. My conclusion was that the roll may have been stored in a warmer climate and the sides facing the heat source toned where as the other side didn't. When I say multiple I just mean one/two in a roll. Living in the desert makes you think things differently.
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hi , I saw these coins and think they are AT. Once a month this guy lists coins like these. Sometimes they go for alot. Image: 6d4e_12.jpg71.01 KB |
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No opions from the experts. I like to get these if they are real. they expire tonight.
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I have seen such color on certified Indian Proof coins, so I know such colors are possible naturally, but never seen it so evenly across a circulated coin. Usually when circulated, even AU, there will be differences in the worn areas as compared to the lustered areas. A "target" effect as from exposure to a cardboard album would be more convincing. Some are within reason, but others are outside of my experience. The dealer doesn't claim they are natural. And a quick search shows other ebay sellers offering similar also. Notice that there is "NO-RETURN AS IS" unless not authenic or genuine ( Nothing about treatment). Can't be sure, but suspect IMO. Jim |
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hi , I saw these coins and think they are AT.Yes, they are. I have seen such color on certified Indian Proof coins, so I know such colors are possible naturally, but never seen it so evenly across a circulated coin About 2 years ago, a member of the ngc boards started a thread bragging about getting AT'd Indian cents into ngc and pcgs plastic. He was using ms70 to get the results (mostly blues and purples). Since that time, the TPG's have become aware of what he was doing, and have since stopped slabbing them............and have paid a fair amount to buy back many of the already slabbed coins. 
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07/14/2008 3:14 pm
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