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 Posted 07/24/2018  11:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Seller says it is toning. I've never seen a copper nickel FE with toning. I say it is corrosion/environmental damage. One this is for certain, it is ugly. Perhaps a Chinese fake made out of who knows what?

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07/24/2018 11:51 pm
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 Posted 07/25/2018  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My oh my. It's crazy how we interpret pictures differently. There is NO evidence of corrosion on this coin.
To my eye it is a beautifully toned example. My only concern would be the halfmoon of beautiful toning just above the date. I'm not sure what would have caused toning like that.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stared at it for 20 minutes. I'm not a specialist on this series. If it is fake it would have fooled me.
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07/25/2018 12:25 am
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 Posted 07/25/2018  12:29 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks authentic to me. I don't see any of the tell tale markers that the usual counterfeits have. The toning might be heat applied but just a guess.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Patina or toning: same thing.
Corrosion is where the surface of the coin is damaged.
Same chemical process for all three.

Color of coin on screen OK to my eye.
Very weak in the lettering and tail feathers on the FE side. ?Struck through grease?
Localized dark color patches due to accelerated or more localized chemical processes.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never been comfortable with toned copper, so my opinion doesn't carry much weight. That said, my first thought was environmental damage. Pass.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But according to this website, copper-nickel alloy coins do not tarnish. The website is incorrect stating that copper-nickel coins were first used in the US in 1865, when, in fact, the Flying Eagle cents were the first to use the alloy.

https://www.copper.org/applications...ons/coinage/

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But according to this website, copper-nickel alloy coins do not tarnish.


From Rick Snow's website.....

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 Posted 07/25/2018  03:44 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But according to this website, copper-nickel alloy coins do not tarnish.


What about these?






I realize these are of a slightly different CuNi composition, and that may make a lot of difference. Here is another FEC with definite toning (tarnish) on the reverse:

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 Posted 07/25/2018  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steelers72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are scratches above the date and a scratch in that dark toned spot. I wouldnt pay a premium personally, most likely would get a details grade from TPG. Looks cleaned and retoned to me.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Toning IS corrosion. It's just pretty corrosion. The OP coin does NOT look natural to me.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree. It is genuine but lacks eye appeal, straight or not.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I did not ready anything else once I saw the nickels.
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The nickels don't look natural either, with the exception of mayyyybe the first one. Jmo
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 Posted 07/26/2018  12:30 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The nickels don't look natural either, with the exception of mayyyybe the first one. Jmo


The first one is the only one I actually paid for, so that's good (it's also a proof). I really don't know if they are NT or AT, but as far as CuNi toning (tarnishing), these definitely have, so it's at least possible. I think proof surfaces may be more susceptible to it. We all know the golden tone nickels can take on.
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07/26/2018 12:40 am
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Get that coin and allow it to sit in Acetone for several years. Might not make a difference but not being able to see it for a while might make it look better.
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