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 Posted 02/01/2019  4:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add catmech67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys and gals pretty sure this is a 2015 Saratoga National Park quarter double reverse if you look at the date 2015 can't really see a D in with the five that's coming from United on the obverse side of United States of America.

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 Posted 02/01/2019  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@cm67, coul you please add a couple pics of the areas that look doubled with the coin in hand? When I enlarge the date (2015), it is too pixelated for me to see doubling. Thx!
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 Posted 02/01/2019  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All the devices on the outer ring of the reverse are incuse devices. Machine Doubling on these these because the are raised on the die, enlarges the devices. (just the opposite of a raised doubled die) Because the DDR's are on the center of the design, this isn't a doubled die. About 70% of 100 I checked had minor or strong Machine Doubling. No doubled dies have been found on these incuse devices on the ATB Quarters.
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 Posted 02/01/2019  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably most likely Machine Doubling, but need to see a much clearer and better picture. We need a closeup.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 02/01/2019  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catmech67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Spence here are few better pictures of the coin and now that I get some better close-ups there's of the obverse showing up on the reverse.









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 Posted 02/01/2019  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Contact marks on these make it look like it flows behind the device like raised devices. So contact marks make an indent on the surface of that area easily. But none of these are doubled dies.
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 02/01/2019  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catmech67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry I was explaining it wrong it's not a double die
it's when the front bleeds through to the reverse you can see the d from United and a couple other letters from United States of America that have bled through to the reverse side that's what I was looking at no I don't it's not an it's definitely not a double die I don't know what you call it when it bleeds through I thought it was double reverse sorry.
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 Posted 02/01/2019  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@cm, perhaps you are thinking about a die clash? I'm not thinking that this is what you have either.

Added: Those close-up pics are great by the way. Thx for adding them to this thread.
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Yep, not surprised. You have Machine Doubling on the EPU. Machine Doubling is very common on the ATB Quarters. A large percentage of them have it.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 02/01/2019  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catmech67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Spence I could not think die clash for the life of me but you're right it's not die clash it's just Machine Doubling on the five. Sorry for the confusion I just don't want to be one of those people that I think everything they have is a double die or worth a lot of money appreciate the input from everyone it was very helpful.
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 Posted 02/01/2019  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On a die clash, the devices don't bleed through the planchet. The die damage each other when there is not planchet in the chamber and the dies strike each other. Usually the only letters that come through are 'TY' on the Memorial cents. Usually it is just the outlines of the main designs on each side of the die, making a mark on the opposite die.








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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 02/01/2019  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catmech67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pretty cool I'll be looking closer for those errors. Thanks Coop I appreciate it. I don't know where you guys get the photos to go with your explanations to help us newbies understand but there awesome and very helpful.
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 Posted 02/02/2019  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the images, some are from posters on this site. Look at the avatars on the images. Some are from other sites. When I see something on an image that I can use to explain something, I create them with photoshop. I have over 9200+ images on my image host. I be been collecting these for over twenty years. An image at the right time will help a discussion to round out a subject so well. Seeing is understanding. That just part on my educational files. See something you want to save, just right click them to start your own educational files. It saves time having to go back to find one you need later.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 05/16/2019  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cymic03 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this worth anything? Kid trying to find coins for college. 2015 gold Saratoga quarter looks like erro? Would love ethe help and your knowledge.
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 Posted 05/16/2019  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a premium coin. It may be the next coin?
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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