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Real Or Counterfeit? 1870 CC Seated Dollar.

 
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 Posted 02/21/2019  8:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Poll Question
Is this Seated dollar real or a counterfeit?

***Determinations must be made with picture diagnostics only.Weight and other in hand information is unavailable so there is no need for those comments.***



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Edited by MikeF
02/21/2019 10:01 pm
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 Posted 02/21/2019  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake! Something about the color.
Let's see what others say.
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02/21/2019 9:11 pm
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 Posted 02/21/2019  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Check Onedollarbillnut's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Onedollarbillnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fields look too rough, like from spark erosion dies
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 Posted 02/21/2019  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Check Jadey's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse looks totally off to me.
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 Posted 02/21/2019  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake!
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 Posted 02/21/2019  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fake to me.
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 Posted 02/21/2019  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin looks real for the date and CC. The coin has been in circulation and has what appears to be normal wear. The reverse fields look off with cast like bubbles and I have no explanation why other than a counterfeit. Any attempt to call the coin genuine or counterfeit would be simply a guess without seeing the coin in hand.
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 Posted 02/21/2019  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the obverse, I'm concerned about all the horizontal and vertical lines in the lower part. While I see hints of some on certified examples, nothing to the extent seen here. On the reverse, other than appearing incredibly bubbly, IGWT - the bottom of G seems joined to the top, the top of O is missing, and the left top of T is missing. In the context that this might be fake, the counterstamp seems cheesy, like it was added to lend an air of authenticity. But I really don't know for sure. I don't see anything where the denticles don't line up right, etc, but I kind of expect that these days.
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 Posted 02/22/2019  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would be just a guess
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 Posted 02/22/2019  08:39 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 02/22/2019  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've looked at a lot of corroded Seated coins, and this looks to me like fake corrosion. The toning is also suspicious. Even if it were real, the asking price is double what it should be.
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 Posted 02/22/2019  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$1200 for a raw coin on ebay?
Enough said.
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 Posted 02/22/2019  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The counterstamp, even if legit, is considered damage. I still think it's a fake priced higher than what the value of a real one goes for . The seller states
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with an interesting story to tell.


Really? So what exactly is this "story"?
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 Posted 02/22/2019  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like neither the coin nor the counterstamp, and am highly suspicious of both, but that's just my opinion.
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 Posted 02/22/2019  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Check edweather's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say real, but coin was buried and cleaned.....surface definitely messed with...something like that.
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 Posted 03/12/2019  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking the coin COULD be genuine, POSSIBLY resurrected from a fire and/or otherwise bearing ED. Note that the edges are quite banged up ... PERHAPS, from being artificially aged in a tumbler? I'd have to see this piece in person to cast an educated opinion. If counterfeit, it may be a contemporary piece. The stamp font/style looks to be 1800's.

From my perspective, this counterstamp detracts from the value. It's not a desirable merchant or political stamping. It's a one-of-a-kind, personal piece, akin to a love token. Oftentimes, counterstamps can add to a coin's value. In this case, likely not; this, IF the coin is genuine, that is!

As a side note, in my collection of 2,500+ counterstamps, there are but two contemporary counterfeit hosts, being a Bust Half and a Seated quarter. Considered as a genre, counterstamped contemporary counterfeits are a rare breed. So, if the 1870-CC is a contemporary counterfeit, the counterstamp would add some modest value for particular collectors of this stuff.
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