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1560 Lithuania Halfgroat

 
 
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 Posted 05/21/2019  7:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is a coin I found today kicking around in a shop's box of unsorted material. I recognized it as being Lithuanian, and have subsequently identified it as a halfgroat of Zygmunt II. Just under 20mm in diameter with a weight of 1.2 grams. It's silver but I can't find a specification as to fineness. Although this type is supposed to exhibit coin alignment, this specimen's obverse and reverse are oriented almost exactly 90 from each other.





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 Posted 05/21/2019  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@LC, as you know, our own @giedrius is the expert on these as he literally wrote the book on Lithuanian Half Groats: http://goccf.com/t/282866. I realize that this book covers slightly earlier time period (AD 1495 to 1529), but therein a fineness of 6/16 (37.5%) is mentioned. Until he weighs in with a more accurate answer, I would use this value.
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 Posted 05/22/2019  04:03 am  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always like this coin type but haven't gotten around to buying any yet. Nice coin.
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 Posted 05/23/2019  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice pickup!

I think a number of the "How Far Back" gang have one or more of these in their collection, as they are a very affordable/available coin that ran from the late 1540s to mid 1560s.
I just checked mine on alignment, and they are all over the place (medal/coin/90 degrees) though the majority (including my 1560) are close to medal alignment.
According to Gumowski, fineness specification was 6/16 (37.5%) from 1545-58, and 5.5/16 (34.3%) after 1558.

There are a large number of variants of this type, so I hope @giedrius will eventually get a look at yours. In a quick look through the WCN archive, I did not see the variant with L/LIT (respectively in the obv and reverse legends) in recent sales, so I think yours may not be one of the most common variants? (but best for a real expert to weigh in)
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 Posted 05/23/2019  09:53 am  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations! Great and rare coin with LIT at the end of reverses legend, 4SA182-24 and RRR (!) in E. Ivanauskas'2014 catalogue. Silver fineness is about 375 only by the same catalogue. The same legend and rarity, but different Ivanauskas number on Polish auction https://wcn.pl/archive/119669?q=1560+wilno+&page=4
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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 Posted 05/23/2019  10:00 am  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Picture from Ivanauskas book:
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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 Posted 05/23/2019  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Great and rare coin with LIT at the end of reverses legend, 4SA182-24 and RRR (!) in E. Ivanauskas'2014 catalogue.

I assure you that this is an instance of the proverbial blind squirrel finding an acorn. Living up to my moniker, I guess.

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 Posted 05/30/2019  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does my specimen correspond to one of the Kopicki numbers (3259 through 3263) for this date?

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 Posted 05/30/2019  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add romancoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool coin!
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 Posted 05/30/2019  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Lucky Cuss, no, this coin is not included into Kopicki book. Kopicki did not paid attention to interesting A on reverse of the coin. Ivanauskas was the first, who published this coin in his catalogue.
Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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I just picked up one of these too! There were a bunch on ebay. How could I resist such a cool coin from the 1600s with mint luster for $10 bucks! Nice pickup!
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I just picked up one of these too!

I hope that you are planning to add pics to this thread when you have your new coin in hand. Always nice to drool!
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