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Ntc Coins Masquerading As NGC (By Seller)

 
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 Posted 06/09/2019  9:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Another basement slab, attempting to sell as if it were NGC (as in the description provided by Seller).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950-D-Jef...AOSwCuBcYwM0

Maybe the blurry picture will fool ya!

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 Posted 06/09/2019  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, NTC. One of my favorites.
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 Posted 06/10/2019  02:30 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I messaged the seller with hope they will correct the description on their own. It could be reported on CCF for the blurry pics alone, I'm just not feeling up to it.
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 Posted 06/11/2019  01:55 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller responded to say "thanks," but they have yet to change their listing...
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 Posted 06/11/2019  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The seller responded to say "thanks," but they have yet to change their listing...
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 Posted 06/11/2019  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take care of it.
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 Posted 06/11/2019  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's also a lot of NCG and some fly by night creole slab from a New Orleans dealer. That one kills me as he lists it (taped over in the photos) as "grade unavailable due to EBAY policy.".
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 Posted 06/11/2019  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Check Wade's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can't read the description as the item has been removed.

would be nice if posters copied and pasted the descriptions/photos etc as after the listing is removed it's hard for anyone to learn, be aware, spread the news etc

all any future viewer of this thread has to go on is the pictures that were posted, and it's pretty clear that this isn't from NGC
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 Posted 06/12/2019  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Made my eyes hurt looking at that thing.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scan not a photo. The NTC slabs are fairly deep and so the fixed focus of the scanner on the glass gets fooled.

That is what I call NTC2 - notice the letters inside the mold on the front bottom right. There are something like twenty companies that have used the same slab... ProxiBid auctions are a hotbed of this recently.

AGP (American Grading Professional)
ANI (American Numismatic Institute)
CCGS (Certified Coin Grading Service)
EMGC (Elite Master Grading Company)
ENG (Eagle Numismatic Grading)
ICGA (Independent Coin Grading Authentication)
IGS (International Grading Service)
LVCS (Liberty View Certification Service)
NANC (North American Numismatic Certification)
NPSC (Numispro)
NTC (Numistrust)
NTC II (current successor to NTC)
OBCS (Official Buyers Certification Service)
PCSS (Prestige Coin Slabbing Service)
PGS (Professional Grading Service)
PNA (Professional Numismatic)
PNCS (Professional Numismatic Certification Service)
PNGS
TDCS (The Distinguished Coin Specialists)
WHSG (World High Standards Grading)

NGS (Numismatic Grading Service of India) uses what appears to be a similar slab, I haven't had one in-hand to check

Most of these are so bad at grading that I haven't given them an album, just a repurposed Biscotti bucket.
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 Posted 06/16/2019  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That one kills me as he lists it (taped over in the photos) as "grade unavailable due to EBAY policy.".


Aren't there only a few TPG companies that are allowed on Ebay where you can show the numerical grade?

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 Posted 06/16/2019  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that info, BStrauss3.
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 Posted 06/17/2019  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that list, there are few there I hadn't heard of.
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 Posted 06/18/2019  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Aren't there only a few TPG companies that are allowed on Ebay where you can show the numerical grade?


There's only 4 that eBay allows to have the grade shown which are PCGS, NGC, ICG, and ANACS. There's a search option for CAC as well, but those four companies are the only ones where you're allowed to list the numerical grade or show it in pictures.
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 Posted 06/18/2019  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unofficially, they also allow ICCS and CCCS (Canadian grading companies).
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