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Would You Sell A Coin To A Toning Doctor?

 
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 Posted 06/13/2019  11:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently listed a nice mint state 1929-P Buffalo on eBay. When it sold, I checked the buyer's feedback as I usually do to make sure there weren't any potential issues. I noticed that he both bought and sold quite a few coins, and when I checked his items for sale, I was chagrined to find that he was a seller of artificially toned coins, all with wild tones of blues, purples, and greens. So my dilemma was should I go ahead with the sale and have him ruin an attractive uncirculated Buffalo nickel, or should I cancel the sale and wait for a buyer that would appreciate an original mint state coin? What would you do?
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 Posted 06/13/2019  11:43 am  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a great moral quandary! The purist numismatist says NO SALE. The pragmatist economist says YOU PAY, ITS YOURS.
Good luck with whatever decision you make.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CitationSquirrel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Kinda hard though to pick your buyers on Ebay, especially if you're selling it in an auction.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind with the new paypal policies that if you cancel the sale it will cost you money. It's not really a rare coin and toning can be removed later on depending what they do, they're going to get coins anyways so canceling will really just hurt you. I would do the sale and if it really bothers you block them so they can't buy any more in the future
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 Posted 06/13/2019  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would sell a coin to my dog if he had any money.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would sell a coin to my dog if he had any money.
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I've had buyers who've bought nice coins from me 'IMO' and have then sent me proud photos of them drilled out and made into earrings or necklaces!!

Seriously though, if the essence of the coin is important to you, maybe its not a good idea to sell on ebay

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 Posted 06/13/2019  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no point trying to control what happens to a coin after it is sold. It is theirs to use or abuse.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like when you sell a house, really. Or a car.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad the consensus seems to be to go ahead with the sale. After mulling it over a bit, that's what I decided, too. I wanted to sell the coin, he wanted to buy it at my listed price, and I figured it wasn't my business what he did with it afterwards. Besides, my dog didn't have the cash!

This was about 6 weeks ago, and after I shipped it to him, I watched his items for sale to see how long it would take for him to tone it and relist it. Sure enough, it popped up as a new item this week, looking a bit different. I know it's my coin because of the bag mark on the cheek and several other distinguishing marks. And he's selling it for nearly twice what I sold it for!



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 Posted 06/13/2019  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that's a serious misrepresentation. Can you give us a link, please.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The buyer has learned to heat treat, to achieve beautiful multi color toning. A form of deliberate PMD.

This is a perfect case why I ignore rainbow toning, when I make a decision to buy or not. I ignore the obvious eye appeal, and it makes no difference whatsoever to the value.
Some purists would walk away, because the coin has been 'doctored'. I won't go quite that far, but I will take the PMD into account.

Rainbow toning is unstable, unless locked in an airtight (and I mean airtight), container. Such a container may be at odds with the way you present or store the rest of your collection.


Once the coin leaves your ownership, you have no control over it, and the new owner can do whatever he likes with it, including on selling it, with the 'doctoring'.
For the new buyer, it is a matter of caveat emptor, = buyer beware.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can like toned coins. That looks horrible.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A link will help bring this down.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought a early die state RPM Mercury dime, and it to me had questionable toning. I am waiting to see how the toning changes over time, it maybe a very long time?

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 Posted 06/13/2019  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the listing of my coin that he just relisted.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-Buffa...AOSw5B5dAW5H

All his coins look the same. He's a little vague about the toning process, but there probably isn't anything in his description that misrepresents the coins. And apparently people buy them and are happy with them... I guess you can consider it abstract art!
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 Posted 06/13/2019  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I certainly wouldn't consider that to be rainbow toned or beautiful, nor a comparable to the PCGS coin pictured as an example. If some people like that look that's their choice, the majority of the market will frown on it.


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I am waiting to see how the toning changes over time, it maybe a very long time?


Could be. You could literally do the same thing to same of the same date/mm/denomination coins and put them side by side in whatever experiment and get different results on both. The toning that really gets the big money is generally stable and has been around for quite sometime, it just gets more attention now with the internet.
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