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1966 Kennedy...die Or Damage?

 
 
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 Posted 07/16/2019  01:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add baldee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Thought this was cool...die or damage?

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 Posted 07/16/2019  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Machine Doubling. Not a doubled die. The difference? A doubled die is created on the die with a wrong alignment/or damaged hub. Machine Doubling is from a normal die that after the strike, it is damaged by the machine.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 07/16/2019  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baldee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coop...ty...so the way the L,F,D,O looks chipped away was most likely done when the coin was struck?
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 Posted 07/16/2019  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Machine Doubling, good eye!



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 Posted 07/16/2019  11:01 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 07/16/2019  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys, I think we are missing the point of the OP. Yes, its definitely Machine Doubling...but its weird.
Specifically zoom in on the the last pic at how the devices themselves have a weird "scalloped" edge right above the step formed by the Machine Doubling. What causes this? If it was on just one letter I would think it a hit, but what caused this type of PMD besides the MD?




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 Posted 07/17/2019  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baldee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any ideas on what caused those scalloped edges on L,F,D,O?
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@baldee I PM'd a couple of the guys who were here already to see if they could chime in again. I tried to PM you to let you know but your email settings don;t allow PMs.
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Earle42, maybe the machine was very loose and moved around like when you scribble with a crayon? I don't really know.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 07/17/2019  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost looks like the metal chipped away from the Machine Doubling pushing hard against these devices.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 07/17/2019  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for coming back to this both of you. I just have never seen this on MD before and was really interested what it could be.

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That much pressure on such a thin metal edge and pushing at an angle makes a lot of sense it could chip.
- When I value " being right" more than what IS right, I am then right...a fool.
- How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
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 Posted 07/17/2019  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind how the metal gets pushed aside because of the MD. So it probably later comes off during circulation. But the coin is still a keeper. 40% silver.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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07/17/2019 9:37 pm
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 Posted 07/17/2019  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great graphic and thanks again.
- When I value " being right" more than what IS right, I am then right...a fool.
- How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
- Real men play Fizzbin.
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 Posted 07/18/2019  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baldee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your input, I appreciate it. Unique damage indeed.
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