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Mr. Diamond
With the dots being circular in shape, would the grease/dust/grit/fiber/ect. fill tend to not have any avenues to escape. How many strikes might it take to compress this trapped mixture into a substance that was hard enough to develop flow lines of its own.
Also , the dot is somewhat a cylinder sunk into the face of the die. This cylinder could act as an anchor for more of the mixture to gather and be trapped on the surface of the die and become compacted into a dome around the dot
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This thread is very interesting. I look forward to seeing what the article says about the missing periods/dots.
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Jason, there is no definitive answer. There may never be. But with enough specimens like mine to examine I feel that Mr. Diamond will find the answer at some point.
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Stoneman227, I am not aware of any grease deposits that have developed, and transferred, their flow lines. Even if compacted die fill were capable of developing flow lines, it seems highly unlikely that the lines would match, and be continuous with, nearby die flow lines. One of the tried and true ways to distinguish an original, die-struck surface from a surface Struck Through Grease is the absence of flow lines (and other signs of Die Deterioration) in the latter. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Thankyou Mr. Diamond. Do you feel the final dot on the coin I posted on the previous page was a victim of abrasion instead of die fill , as it seemingly has flow lines that are a bit wider but parallel to the surrounding flow lines ?
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I am unable to distinguish from your photo any differences in the flow lines between the dot-less area and the surrounding area. Turning to your conjecture about die abrasion, I can't rule it out entirely. However, the nearby B shows no thinning and no lowering of its height -- changes one would expect of regional die abrasion. The dot-less area shows no elevation of the surface, as would be the case with pinpoint die abrasion. Right now, the leading explanations -- for your specimen at least -- would be a chipped working hub or a mistake in punching in the dot. The latter seems more likely to me. It seems to me that more than one explanation lies behind these missing dots.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Mike do you think that the vdb no dots will become a new variety? And are there more or less no dot varieties?
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@Panther, I just received my cent back from Mr. Diamond. We need to compare reverse die markers to see if they came from the same die. I tried to email you earlier but you have your email setting turned off.
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hfjacinto, I can't predict whether any of these "no dot" cents will be classified as die varieties. It all depends on whether the variety community comes together to decide which of these are die defects and whether those defects can be traced back to die preparation.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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I have a good condition 1909 vdb also showing only 1 dot after the V. What was the conclusion on these varieties?
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Great question! Also, can you post up a picture of yours?
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Still no conclusion on a post sleeping for 2 yrs.?
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guess not..  Time for me to move on to greener pastures.. |
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I didn't know about this post, Very interesting and also educative. As per my experience with those VDB coins, this must be the Serbian version of the 1909 VDB. Dot on not dots, we have to analyze the letters and orientation also the distance from Rim to the VDB. I can wrote more about but I think this is enough. Just looking the V left side is out of the normal design. The D angle do not fit with original also. The B seem same with original, but is clear different.
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05/03/2023 9:30 pm
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