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 Posted 09/12/2019  12:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Came across this 1963 D appears to have the extra eyelid just as 1963-D 1 WDDO-050, thoughts?

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 Posted 09/12/2019  06:08 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just PMD I think
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 Posted 09/12/2019  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it took a hit flattening the metal.
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 Posted 09/12/2019  07:18 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really can't tell about the eye but looks like some MD is dominating whatever is going on there. But that last T of TRUST sure looks doubled, so maybe WDDO-046? Certainly looks like that one from the full coin shot. Good luck!
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 Posted 09/12/2019  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the responses, @ tropicalbats I have a lot of issues noticing the doubling on these older cents because it seems like extra thickness on the lettering on general, or like die deterioration where the lettering is getting pushed, do you have any tips or tricks to look for? Thanks in advance
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 Posted 09/12/2019  09:02 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At least on this one it's not extra thickness, but what looks like a bar sticking out of the right side of the last T in TRUST. That's a classic spot for a DDO from the early 1960's.

Extra thickness can be tough, but that's not usually the deal with the 1960's. From 1960-67 most of the doubling will be a bar below the L of LIBERTY, and extra eyelid south, or something or other extra around one of the T's in TRUST. Go through the catalog on VV and you'll see lots of that kind of doubling. 1962-P is the exception where there are a whole lot of DDO's with separation on the date, as well as, obviously, other DDO's here and there mixed in.

In general I recommend focusing on the known stuff that is easy to spot and has a reasonable chance of being a DDO. Going after things like the extra thickness on 1982 or 1973 is hard for the very best folks, so why start there and waste a ton of time staring at stuff unlikely to ever get attributed as anything. The way to find a lot of good coins is to look at a lot of coins, not spend 15 minutes looking at a well-circulated coin with possibly thick lettering. Once you get the easy ones down, you will have seen enough coins to start noticing the thick lettering just because it will start to jump out at you.

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 Posted 09/12/2019  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gotcha, makes sense tropicalbats, appreciate you taking the time to write back. I will have a better look at VV and at the T on this cent thanks again you are an asset to this forum
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 Posted 09/12/2019  10:46 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a DDO. Not sure which one though. The last "T" in "TRUST" shows doubling.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 09/12/2019  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ENV and tropicalbats for pointing that out, here are a few closeups of the IGWT, tropicalbats seems like WDDO-046 is the closest



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 Posted 09/12/2019  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me. See how this works? There are lots of doubled dies to find, once you know what to look for. Few of them are big separations, just smaller bits here and there with some doubling. Once you figure out what to look for it gets easier. Everyone starts out by seeing giant MD on the devices and gets excited, but big actual DDO's are rare and that's why they are celebrated here when they get found. You will find some big ones, but you can find loads of smaller stuff along the way as well, which at least to me is quite satisfying.

Best advice is to pay attention to the images on VV (since you can see them all on one page easily) to know where to look on any given date. After a while you'll just know where to look and only need VV to figure out which number it is when you find one.

Congrats on the DDO and happy hunting

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 Posted 09/12/2019  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice you are absolutely right tropicalbats and thanks for your guidance and explanations they are excellant and really help someone like me who is just starting out and getting to know things. Still learning and have a long way to go but with the help of people like you it makes the hobby much more enjoyable. Thanks again and your right it is extremely satisfying to me to find something like this so happy to add it to the collection and all because of you guys, thank you so much
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 Posted 09/12/2019  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Evan7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pics are phenomenal CTT!

TB good catch!

Congratulations on this finf
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 Posted 09/12/2019  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the kind words Evan7
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