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 Posted 09/12/2019  2:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Webekin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Kennedy half dollar, 1974 missing layer chip.





Does it have value? I have several halves 1976 with missing letters and/or stars in "INDEPENDENCE HALL". Thanks in advance, Webekin
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 Posted 09/12/2019  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You may have a lamination or a struck through. But I need photos upright and with backgrounds removed. Showing us both sides of the coin only will help us provide an honest opinion.

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Probably a Lamination. Awesome error coin!
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 Posted 09/12/2019  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks very promising to be a Lamination. can we see a clear close up of the area in question plus an image of the reverse?
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Posting the weight of this coin could be useful too. Thx!
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 Posted 09/13/2019  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lamination ? come on guys,if so, where's the copper.? That's a struck through error....

Webekin, we need the weight
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 Posted 09/13/2019  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can have a lamination that doesn't go all the way through the clad layer. I do agree though that it looks more like a strikethrough.
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 Posted 09/13/2019  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Struck through a piece of lamination?

Might be Pareidolia messing with me again but it looks like the base of an extra Y (LIBERTY) raised in relief pointing at the 9 of the date.
The bottom/underside of a lamination can have incuse elements that, if part of a "struck through", could produce a raised area.
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If the weight is normal, I would agree with a struck through debris/lamination.
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 Posted 09/13/2019  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Lamination ? come on guys,if so, where's the copper.? That's a struck through error....

Would the devices be still visible if it was struck through debris? Lamination don't always expose the copper.I guess the weight will help.

Below is a perfect example of a Lam I sold recently, no Copper is exposed!

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 Posted 09/13/2019  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Webekin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My scales are Postal scales, Weight,.02LBS, or 10g or .010kg
or 0.0.3 lbs:oz




There is for sure missing material in the defect area. The red is refection of my shirt.
Hope these weights make sense. Webekin
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09/13/2019 3:31 pm
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big difference from the actual weight for these coins at 11.34g
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 Posted 09/13/2019  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
007 a61 is not clad. A postage scale is not fine enough to weigh coins.
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Below is a perfect example of a Lam I sold recently, no Copper is exposed!
With all due respect, an 1961 quarter would have been 90% silver, which means that it doesn't have any copper to expose (that isn't mixed into the alloy, at least).

...And I see that Cujohn had already pointed that out.
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 Posted 09/13/2019  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Webekin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"big difference from the actual weight for these coins at 11.34g"

Ok used my reloading scales, weight in grains = 172.1 converted to grams = 11.151892, or near .19 grams short.
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 Posted 09/13/2019  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind + or - mint tolerances, I'm holding to "struck through"
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