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 Posted 09/18/2019  8:25 pm Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Thought I'd share this two year old article. It's on the "Super-Fake" Morgan's. We are seeing more dates coming out especially 1921 that are so good they can fool many experts in the field. Another concerning development in the fight against counterfeiting.

https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/c...ke-revealed/
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 Posted 09/18/2019  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/18/2019  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse of the 1884-s is an exact match of 1884-cc VAM-7A...

I have not purchased a Morgan dollar in many years without first confirming what die pair ( VAM) I'm looking at...Knowledge is key...
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 Posted 09/18/2019  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember reading the article, not good for the hobby for sure.
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 Posted 09/19/2019  04:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't say if this particular piece is pressure cast or die struck.
Cast coins shrink slightly after casting. Fake die struck OK in this regard.
I would suspect this fake s die struck, due to the luster, but luster it doesn't appear radial in the picture.

Seems to be made from 90%Ag, 10%cu, to achieve weight, but XRF would confirm. Melted coinage silver easy to obtain.
Doesn't show a picture of the edge. Good clean millings can help support genuine, but not necessarily so.

VAM-mers would be able to help out on die characteristics.
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09/19/2019 8:26 pm
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 Posted 09/20/2019  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The new counterfeiters in China now have the exact same mint presses used by the worlds top mints, years ago they had an original scrap press from the Denver Mint bought from the USA in the 1920's it was found in storage by the then "Top counterfeiter" according to the interview he gave to the coin press back in 2008. His stuff was fairly crude, but he obviously got better, now according to Beth Deishler in her latest Coin World podcast interview, he or other new counterfeiters have vastly improved their techniques (obviously from what we are seeing today) and their equipment. They've put millions into building up crews and sales channels to reach all over the world.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...podcast.html

See episode #25 Beth's part is at 25:35 minutes into it, and the information on the mint presses is at the beginning in the first couple of minutes of her interview. Jack Young of the Darkside is episode #7 also a good interview I've posted here before covering the fakes infiltrating our hobby.
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