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 Posted 10/06/2019  11:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jbohanon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a 1923 Peace dollar with a significantly (~90 degrees) rotated reverse. Is this worth a significant premium? I can't seem to find much online about it.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We would be happy to give you an accurate opinion if we could see some photos. The most common reason for a rotation on a dollar coin is because it is a Magician Coin.

Please do a search on them here as there are tons of them reported.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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If the deviation from normal it is less than 30, the likelihood that the coin has any additional premium Is doubtful.

I also find it difficult to portray both the obverse and reverse sides simultaneously in the same photo to provide usable relativity for the authentication. Any tips on how to do this photographic wizardry would be nice to hear about.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbohanon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Smoke and mirrors. I'll see if I can find a lip along the edge that opens up.



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 Posted 10/06/2019  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check the weight. A Peace dollar in this condition should weight close to 26.7 grams. If it had been machined to produce a Magician's coin it would almost certainly weigh less. It also would not "ring" when dropped or tapped. Should be easy to tell.
A large rotation like this if genuine should be worth good money, many times the value of an ordinary circulated 1923 Peace dollar.
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The scale I have says 26 to 27 grams and it makes the silver "clink" sound when I drop it. I can't see anything on the rims indicating it opens up.

Is this worth sending to a grading company for authentication?
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 Posted 10/06/2019  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayyk31 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do the ring test and see if she rings correct.
Balance it on the tip of your finger. Then gently tap it with another silver dollar. It should have a nice long solid ring to it. You can compare it to a clad coin if you'd like.
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Is this worth sending to a grading company for authentication?


I would. ANACS would be cheapest and you don't have to pay for a membership. If it were mine (and I had confirmed weight and ring test) I'd likely spring for PCGS certification even though it would cost more.

Good luck, and please report back if you do submit!
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 Posted 10/07/2019  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Nice coin! I always like a 90 rotation on a coin and it's even better on a Silver Dollar.

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It also would not "ring" when dropped or tapped

Don't know why so many think dropping or banging a coin is a smart way to test. Why not say drop from the top of a 5 story building? Why not say hit with a hammer? Any dings made by this method are just not smart. Do not drop coins. And your coin is really a great novelty. Some collectors love those rotated reverses. Always makes me wonder if the reverse is OK but the Obverse is rotated.
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The drop test is just another way to damage your coin. You don't want to lower the value of this already valuable coin.
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"Dropping" the coin in this context means dropping it maybe one inch onto a hard surface like a tile counter and listening to the sound produced. I'm quite confident I can perform this test without producing any damage.
Just my opinion of course!
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 Posted 10/08/2019  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FYI I see a 1923 Peace dollar with rotated die sold on Heritage in 2017 for $352.50. That coin was graded MS62 but otherwise seemed similar to yours. Your circulated coin (if genuine) should sell for less but is definitely worth a large premium over a normal 1923. Certification would be needed in order to get the best price.
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