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1843 O Seated Liberty Half Dollar

 
 
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 Posted 10/24/2019  4:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MS69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm interested in comments & opinions on this Seated half dollar. It is not mine and I have no knowledge that it would be for sale. A local friend and his family recently moved their mother into a retirement center and found this coin, along with another seated half, a possible copper planchet the size of a dime, and several Silver Certificates, among other items. By my untrained eye, this coin looks to be in a grade of Fair to maybe a little bit better. It took a little bit to notice the scratches placed on the right side of the Obverse. they are light and not easy to see in hand but under magnification, they jump right out. Likely done a long time ago and look to have been done using a straight edge to keep the lines true. My first thought was that they mimicked the bars of a British flag but could just be something someone randomly did. Again, just looking for comments and opinions.

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 Posted 10/24/2019  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VG-10. Parallel lines are from an old cleaning, but much of the peripheral toning remains intact.
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 Posted 10/24/2019  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like some graffiti in the field to the right of Liberty. I would say a VG Details for this WB-1 die marriage, it has a rarity of R4 for this marriage as well.
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 Posted 10/24/2019  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sasquatch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is that a partial hole drilled on the left wingtip?
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Agree, VG details (graffiti).



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I looked at that spot on the Reverse between the right wing tip and the leaf and with my loup. I can tell it is a small hole, maybe about halfway through with the same dark color in the hole as the rest of the coin. It does not go all the way through and I do not see anything on the Obverse to indicate anything ever came through. What I don't get is the hole looks like it has a flat bottom, not something made with a drill bit.

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 Posted 10/24/2019  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VG8 obverse (four letters in LIBERTY), vg10 reverse. Would most likely grade the former if sent out.
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 Posted 10/26/2019  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VG details, collectable only as a type coin.
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 Posted 10/26/2019  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add misfit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That hole might be from some sort of punch. If it is I would expect possibly a corresponding bulge on the obverse, maybe near Liberty's shoulder.
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In discussing this coin with my friend, He is very interested in why it has the hole on the reverse side. Looks like it may have been made by a punch. Gary looked on eBay and found other 1843 O's that also had the same size hole defect on them at some location and he has now convinced himself that there were issues with the silver plates that the planchets were punched out of and either the producer or mint quality control either didn't care or didn't see and remove the affected unstruck planchets. I would think that if these holes existed before striking there would be some material that would have flowed into the hole to fill it although a defect would still be seen. Again, opinions?

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 Posted 11/19/2019  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Gary looked on eBay and found other 1843 O's that also had the same size hole defect on them at some location and he has now convinced himself that there were issues with the silver plates that the planchets were punched out of and either the producer or mint quality control either didn't care or didn't see and remove the affected unstruck planchets. I would think that if these holes existed before striking there would be some material that would have flowed into the hole to fill it although a defect would still be seen. Again, opinions?

If there was a repeating defect in the strip the blanks were punched from, that defect would NOT show up in the same place on the struck coins. Think about it, say you had 100 blanks all with a defect at 12:00 on one side. Put them in a bowl, and then pour them out on a table. Are all of them still going to be showing the defect in the same location? No, some of the blanks will be upside down and you won't see the defect, and on the ones you do see they will be at all different clock positions. And THAT is how they would then go into the press and be struck, with the defect on either side and at any position.

And you are correct that is such a defect was in the planchet pre-strike it would be largely if not wholly wiped out by the striking.
Gary Schmidt
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11/19/2019 1:24 pm
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