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1941 S LWC If This Is A DDO I'm going To Hang It On The Wall Like A Trophy!

 
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Unfortunately no trophy today.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
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 Posted 12/11/2019  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just another case of MD.
If it was a DD, it would not show on the mint mark.
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Dang it LOL Thanks guys and thank you @JimmyD for the MM clue....never thought of that!
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It is a really nice example of MD though. Normally, we don't see them this clearly.
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@ccob,

If you want a real doubled die bad enough to frame it PM me and I'll send you ome.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
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Why is this not a double die? Calling this MD doesn't explain why it is not a doubled die. So lets dig deeper. The areas you are looking at on most of the devices, ask two questions. 1. Is the area affected reducing the devices, or enlarging the devices? Note on Liberty. The tops of the devices are all affected. Does this look like the devices are reduced in size? Yes. Note the tops of the 'BERT', each device is reduced in size. 2. Look to see if the affected areas are flat, shelf like, showing no contour and are on the outside edge of these devices. Well on this coin all 4 these suggestions, are found on your coin. Compared with a normal coin, all these devices reduced in size. What should a doubled die look like on Liberty:

Top image is of a double die. So compared with your coin are these devices larger, or smaller than your coin has?
Here is a second coin:

Do you see the doubling enlarged? Yes. Where do you see the spread? It is on the centers of the coin. On yoru coin the outside edge is showing a reduction on that area. But note the arrows on this fs-102 image? On the centers of some devices you can see the spread in the center of the devices. That is showing how the hub that formed this die was not aligned correctly. So it is enlarged in the center of the devices making it wider. Want to see another one?:
Here is a side by side with a DDO and one is an example of Machine Doubling:

Can you see the differences now? The Machine Doubling shows the edge of the devices (top) on the upper image, just like your coin. So even with circulation flattening, the lower images devices are wider than the MD example on the top. Does this help? So what did we learn:
1. Machine Doubling reduces the size of the devices by the machine causing the reduction like a kick in the shins on the fresh struck coin, right after the strike. Machine movement altered the devices.
2. A doubled die is called a doubled die, because of the doubling on the die is created during the creation of the die. Thus each coin struck with that die will show the same exact doubling on each strike of these dies.
So a machine doubled coin is created by the machine.
A doubled die had the doubling on the die, and is not created by the machine.
But a doubled die can still strike a MD example in the same fashion of machine/die movement.

Note the yellow arrows.
But Machine Doubling always reduces the size of the devices even on doubled dies. Where? On the outside edges of the devices.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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@GrapeCollects thanks but no thanks! Wouldn't be the same as finding one myself. I'm determined and stubborn! and @COOP once again AWESOME tutorial very much appreciated!
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Always glad to help out. It won't be long before you find a great find.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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