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1925-S Mercury Dime - Ebayer Cracks Out NGC AU58 To Sell Raw

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 Posted 12/14/2019  10:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Tell me what you think of this one!

I see this 1925-S that looks pretty good and something about it just looks really familiar. I look at some ended auctions in my watch list and sure enough, the coin had been slabbed AU58 and just sold. Have you ever seen anything like this before?

First coin in NGC AU58 slab (sold on Dec 10th for $159 + shipping)
333430532958

Here is the same exact coin, now raw, up for bid:
254452725327

There are some obvious light scratches in the right field on the obverse that made me realize this.

I guess we'll see in about nine days if this was a good move on the seller's part. I've heard of crack-outs for re-submission, but didn't realize folks were cracking out just to sell raw, presumably hoping it'll sell for higher out of a slab than in a slab.
Edited by one_fine_dime
12/14/2019 10:37 am
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 Posted 12/14/2019  10:50 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would have to sell for at least $173 for him to break even
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 Posted 12/14/2019  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
worth a $5 bid just to follow this. I wouldn't have cracked it out. I'm blocked from bidding on this item. I've obviously called this seller out for deceptive practices before then. I'd avoid the seller for future reference.
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12/14/2019 11:12 am
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 Posted 12/14/2019  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. I think the buyer of the original NGC AU58 is hoping that some unsuspecting, uneducated individual will think it's a high grade with full bands. As it is listed, but which it is not.

Thanks for the post as I will not be buying from this guy anytime soon.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  11:31 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, we've talked about this seller before and it wasn't good.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have trouble with it even making AU-58.
Now he's calling it FSB.
Take a look at the top bands; I can't go with FSB.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guy is up to no good.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya need to be careful buying merc Dimes now days. There is a person selling them on WISH.COM in full sets and they are FAKE. If people are buying them and then selling them on ebay well ya get what ya get.
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 Posted 12/14/2019  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Have you ever seen anything like this before?


Unfortunately this is a more common practice than it should be. Same with cracking out details coins to sell as straight graded. It just isn't for eBay either, happens at shows and in shops as well. Not every dealer does it, but don't assume that it isn't happening just because someone has a shop or a table at a show
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 Posted 12/14/2019  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The current bid was $7 and if that is what it goes for, OK. Almost FSB is what it should have said. To bad those top bans are close but not complete.
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 Posted 12/15/2019  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strange - the coin originally graded straight AU58, but now has an addendum "Viewers, please note: Hairlines present indicate a past cleaning." Essentially downgrading it to Details. A double downgrade - interesting business strategy!
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 Posted 12/15/2019  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also flagged this pretty great looking 1923-S from the same seller. Obviously I'm skeptical based on what we know about the 1925-S.

254452723160

But does anyone know what the odd "bump" is on the reverse just below "AMERICA"?



obverse doesn't indicate anything



He has the same note on this one: "Hairlines present indicate a past cleaning"
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 Posted 12/15/2019  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bump looks like a die dent
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 Posted 12/17/2019  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's an interesting strategy this seller has. Here's another one he bought about a week ago as an NGC AU details coin:

233427672450

and then cracked out and now has on auction as a Unc FSB with past cleaning:

254452705805

Seems a little risky, I wonder what he does if he doesn't break even.
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 Posted 12/17/2019  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If he doesn't break even he probably cancels the auction and relists it. eBay is rarely your friend.
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 Posted 12/21/2019  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice sleuthing Zurie on the 17-D!

I just found the lost twin to hist 23-S that I had also posted in this thread.

His current sale item: 254452723160

His purchase: 143465087011 (from Dec 10th)

There is a curved scratch just below IGWT and through the lower bust that is readily evident in both listings.

Wow, this 'coinsncards' sure has a way with lighting. Looks like he may be a dipper too?
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