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Possible 1966 Error Kennedy?

 
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 Posted 12/15/2019  9:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi Guys! This is my first macro camera whole coin photo I have taken using my Neewer $12 mono-pod camera stand I got from Amazon overnight with free shipping!

Here is the link to a beginner's macro camera stand:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...e=UTF8&psc=1

As for the 1966 Kennedy, I earned it free from a dealer at a local coin show a week ago Saturday in exchange for teaching him about MD and greased die strike examples I found in his inventory.


This freebie Kennedy first seemed closest to a die clip coin. But I have seen die clips before, and they look like a semi-circular bite has been taken out of the coin. This example is NOT the classic die clip, but it does not look like post-strike damage from circulation, either. On the reverse directly opposite the area of interest on the obverse, there is also something going on that also does not look like post-strike damage.

So, in summation, I haven't the foggiest as to what this coin's problems are called. As a newbie, I have already learned from y'all about acid-etched coins, MD on coins, greased die strike coins, and about extreme late stage die deterioration* as found in one of my CRH quarters. I am looking forward to what I will learn from this coin!

Thank you for your help

Morgan Guy

* P.S. At a local coin show yesterday, I saw a 1981 US mint set whose "P" quarter had clear signs of late stage Die Deterioration! I taught this to that dealer as well. After, he let me look at a box behind his table containing about fifty 1971 S Unc. Eisenhower dollar blue seal packs. Unfortunately, did not find a single "peg-leg" variety in the bunch. :-(



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 Posted 12/16/2019  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't tell from the photo if it's raised or indented?
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 Posted 12/16/2019  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My thought is a struck gritty grease or debris of some sort.
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 Posted 12/16/2019  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right - raised or indented?



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 Posted 12/16/2019  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lets see an edge shot to see if it is raised (like a cud) because the reverse is showing weakness like a cud on the obverse. Weight should be in the normal range.
But from the lighting, it looks incuse. (which if the planchet was damaged pre-strike, then the reverse could show weakness from the missing metal on the obverse. Weight should be under normal weight:
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 Posted 12/16/2019  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be a Cud (Major Die Break). Do what Coop said.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 12/16/2019  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guys, it is an indentation in the obverse of the coin; it is plain scooped out! Tomorrow I will take USB microscope pictures of the rim so you can see the scooping and how it has affected the rim as well. Thanks for your replies.
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 Posted 12/16/2019  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just weighed the 1966 "error" Kennedy. It weighs 11.10 grams. I will now take USB microscope photos of the rim and post those as well.
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 Posted 12/16/2019  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the rim photos of this 1966 Kennedy. The rim seems to have a major "scoop" out of the obverse side of the rim which is to be expected given the incuse affected area of the obverse which carries over to the rim. I describe this obverse/obverse rim area as a "scoop" because it does NOT appear to be a simple compression / indentation of the obverse, but instead looks like a construction steam shovel rolled up and took an actual "scoop" with its shovel.

But I also an detect an anomaly on the reverse side of the rim as well, which does not look like the "scoop" on the obverse side of the rim. Instead the reverse side of the rim at the same exact spot seems to have a much more subtle and slight narrowing when viewed at an angle to the reverse that I cannot explain.

Looking at the affected area of the rim as a whole, my sense is that I am seeing a classic female "hourglass figure".

Let me know what you think and what could cause this. It just does not seem to be (to my admittedly newbie eyes) post-strike damage. .



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 Posted 12/16/2019  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coop, I really like your visual chart of US Coin Weights. I made an Excel file of US Coin Weights by pulling the data out of the Red Book, but it is spread out (no pun intended) and ungainly to use. Yours is compact and has a much better visual appeal. I'll ditch mine and keep yours, if it is not copyrighted! Thanks for it again.

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 Posted 12/16/2019  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse side of the rim, after repeated viewing and cogitating of my USB micro photos, does appear to be a simple indentation and compression, while the obverse side of the rim seems to be something else again.
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 Posted 12/19/2019  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was asked to take more closeups of the "scoop" on the obverse of this 1966 Kennedy. Here they are. Thanks for looking!



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