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1967 1 Cent Double Date, Matches The One On Coins And Canada

 
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 Posted 12/28/2019  8:14 pm Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just found this 1967 and looks identical to the one on Coins and Canada which you can see here, what do you guys think?

http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...nt-1965-1989



Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/28/2019  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say both coins are Die Deterioration Doubling, but I'm not too familiar with Canadian varieties.
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 Posted 12/28/2019  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tanman2001, when I first started collecting I always thought most of the "doubles" on the Coins and Canada site were just Die Deterioration Doubling as well, but I was always curious if there was a difference between Canadian coin doubling and US coin doubling.

According to Coins and Canada though this coin (if it is a match) is posted as "Zoell #D91q - Minor Coin Varieties - 5th Edition - 1970" so I'm assuming it must be a double, or so they say.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/28/2019  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm curious about that as well. I believe coins and canadas errors are user submitted, so I'm not sure if I would use it as a reliable source, but I'd have to see that "Zoell Minor Coin Varieties" and see what that's about.

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ra...rrors.78492/

Did a quick search and the cover of one of Zoell's references is a coin that is clearly Die Deterioration Doubling. Because Die Deterioration is technically a die error, it could be called a die variety and not be completely wrong. And it really isn't wrong to say it is doubled. So I think there is a fundamental difference between what Americans call a die variety and what Canadians (At least these older references) call a die variety. Canadians include Die Deterioration, Americans don't.

I believe your coin is Die Deterioration Doubling. Take that as you will.
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12/28/2019 8:41 pm
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 Posted 12/28/2019  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think SPP-Ottawa would be the man with the answers for this one, he seem's to know a lot about Canadian coins and helps me with a good amount of my finds, personally I agree with you though regarding the Die Deterioration Doubling but if Canadians are going by the Zoell Minor Coin Varieties (I've never personally seen it) and thats what it says this is than there really must be a difference in how Canadian and Americans determine coin varieties. I am use to searching US cents for doubles and if I seen this on a US coin I would assume Die Deterioration Doubling as well.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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12/28/2019 9:08 pm
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 Posted 12/28/2019  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a doubled die but this is not it IMO. It's mechanical press related
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 Posted 12/28/2019  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldmike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with Alan I believe the doubled die for this year is on the obverse This is DDD, MD and common
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12/28/2019 11:42 pm
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 Posted 12/29/2019  12:01 am  Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys! I have a few of these so I will have to check the obverse, they are all lacquered and in very good condition.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/29/2019  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost all Zoell minor varieties are errors not varieties.
Although his catalogues are invaluable, comprehensive and interesting, to Mr. Zoell anything unusual was a "variety" no matter what the cause.
A few of the error coins you have posted JohnWayne007 can be found in his catalogues and have "Zoell minor variety" numbers .
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12/29/2019 01:53 am
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 Posted 01/02/2020  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NiNGCumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have quite a few of these as well. Here is one that has the "doubling" all along the bottom.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  09:21 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1967 is rife with Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration Doubling, and sometimes even both.
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