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How Much Do Dies Need To Be Rotated Before It Matters?

 
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 Posted 01/14/2020  1:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Oijogja to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Not sure what the mint tolerance is, but also besides that, on a collectors' interest level, how much before it starts to be something to care about?
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 Posted 01/14/2020  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
rotateddies.com will tell you.
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 Posted 01/14/2020  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It needs to be rotated by 90 degrees, in order to be considered collectable.
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 Posted 01/14/2020  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well.....the variety crowd might want 90 degrees, however the general collector would probably be thrilled to find one in the wild at say 30 degrees, and definately 45 degrees. I have sold several over the years at less than 90 degrees. Mind you only for a buck or two...but that is still a 200 percent profit!
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 Posted 01/14/2020  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a LSC that is not 90 degrees, and I collected it
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 Posted 01/14/2020  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add airgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well.....the variety crowd might want 90 degrees, however the general collector would probably be thrilled to find one in the wild at say 30 degrees
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Couldn't agree more. People collect all sorts of things, and it is a pity that so many people miss the point and decide what is collectable for me. I have no interest in the monetary value of such coins but even the slightest rotation is of interest to me. I have thought for some time if I could collect a sample of every degree (with geometric precision) of rotation, that would be an achievement.
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 Posted 01/14/2020  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Oijogja, it may have already been done before, but it might be interesting to ask this same basic question as a CCF poll, where you could use the above answers to bucket the potential responses, e.g. 1-9 degrees, 10 to 29 degrees, 30 to 44 degrees, 45 to 89 degrees, and 90 or more degrees. But it is up to you--maybe that idea is more work than what value it would potentially provide to you.
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That's a good idea Spence. I appreciate getting to see a diversity of opinions. I also am really glad to see that there is interest in the more subtle errors/varieties. Got another hour of work and then I'll try to get to doing the poll if no one else has done it.
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 Posted 01/14/2020  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dbrablec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#all rotations matter
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The rule of thumb I've heard is "less than ten degrees isn't worth a premium as a rotated die". Partly because the variety crowd around here like to try to collect "around the clock" sets of rotations, so tend to assign rotations to groups approximately 30 degrees apart: 0, 30, 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210, 240, 270, 300, 330. A rotation of less than 15 degrees would be considered part of the "12 o'clock" (0 or no rotation) group.
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A rotation of less than 15 degrees would be considered part of the "12 o'clock" (0 or no rotation) group.


I heard or read that the rotation has to be greater than 15 degrees to have a premium as well.
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