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1916 5c Buffalo Nickel 2 Feathers

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 Posted 01/24/2020  3:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
$27. 3rd feather doesn't look fully abraded but I think it is enough for the designation. Thoughts on grade or problems? Thanks!


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 Posted 01/24/2020  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll give you VF-30 .
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 Posted 01/24/2020  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree VF-30, tell us about those blue spots.
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 Posted 01/24/2020  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one! The only two feather I've picked is cleaned sadly.

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 Posted 01/25/2020  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here I am again looking like a clown. love beating my head against the wall on these. here's what I see. decent obv strike as the feathers are sharply struck. all the details in the hair above the braid are there. the braid clasp has almost full separation and there is minor rub on the cheek and nose areas. the two spots to the left could be an issue depending on what they are but I'm ignoring here.

the reverse is a little weaker but still a nice strike. the fur on the head has at least 30% remaining and the back looks 70% there. there is full separation of the back from the fur. you are not going to see that on a VF or even XF.

the coin may have had a cleaning but maybe not bad enough to details the coin. I have this at AU53 possible details

now waiting for fortcollins to see how far off I am...
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 Posted 01/25/2020  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But wot's wit da blue spots?
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I have this at AU53

One of the things I look at when I try to grade a Buffalo nickel is the horn . This horn is not full nor is the tail full let alone split ! My call stands at VF-30 .
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 Posted 01/25/2020  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one won't make a true two-feather designation, but it is a 2 1/2 feather.

History matters here. The Buff is a perfect storm of striking difficulties: hard metal, small surface area, cluttered design, high relief, and new design causing mint unfamiliarity with striking characteristics. (This is the same dynamic that causes the incredible number of die varieties for the 1999-date circulating commemorative quarters.) The Buff designs were modified constantly to try to overcome the problems, without success. The 1916 is the first year of the bolder LIBERTY, partly redesigned to withstand the right-rear-leg clash better.

There are at least five known die pairs in 1916 that generated two-feather coins, and the 1916 is the most common two-feather date. (Over half of the 64 date-mint-design combos are currently known to have two-feather or 2 1/2 feather varieties.) Your coin is one of those five die pairs, but an earlier die state, which likely is harder to find than the eventual two-feather version from this die pair.

Note the Indian's "hairy neck" (this is the clash with the buffalo's back) and the heavy abrasion marks on the neck.

Grading die abrasion variety Buffs is a beast (pun intended). Remember, the apparent weakness in design is due to the very events that make the coin collectible. Also remember the common clash areas: Indian's chin with EPU, buffalo's right rear leg with LIBERTY, ground with the Indian's hairline, second feather with the buffalo's horn and head, and the buffalo's back with the Indian's neck. Weakness in these areas on an abrasion coin will almost always be the result of overly enthusiastic die polishing.

@panzaldi called it. The areas separate from the clash polishing are sharp. Note the sharp rachis and calamus on the second feather, date, complete and sharp ribbons, buffalo's tail, of AMERICA, and FIVE CENTS.

I have this one on the EF/AU bubble, yet another example of an "AU slider" (what eventually will become an EF-48 pinpoint). IMHO, it's an ANACS AU-50 and PCGS EF-45.

I have it as a possible details coin, however. On magnification, the obverse spots appear to be corrosion. If this is more than superficial discoloration, it will be detailed. Ditto for the edge crud, which also looks like the aftermath of an old cleaning or longterm storage in an acidic environment.

In any event, a fascinating and collectible coin.

EDIT: At $27, you stole this one. Walkoff home run, my friend.
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 Posted 01/25/2020  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@panzaldi called it.


winner winner. finally called one of these. I'm on a roll now ...well at least until the next one comes along.

fortcollins your background info and insights into these difficult coins is invaluable. thanks for taking the time to share it
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Thanks fortcollins. You are a treasure in this forum.

The edges of the coin look blueish because it was photographed on a blue carpet and I didn't do such a great job cropping. I think the edges are ok. I will try to provide better pictures of the spots when I receive the coin in hand.
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Oh well I guess we all learn something about Buffalo nickels with fortcollins at the helm .
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 Posted 02/03/2020  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This came in. Looks AU to me. The spots are oxidation and I dont see it having eaten into the metal. Very happy with thia purchase.


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 Posted 02/04/2020  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Looking at your photos of the coin in hand, I think you can get AU-50 straight grade. The seller's photos didn't do the coin justice. That's a whale of a cherrypick, my friend!
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 Posted 02/07/2020  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As always, thanks for your input fortcollins!
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 Posted 02/07/2020  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Very nice! Congrats!
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Thanks W and everyone who helped!
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