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1944 Lincoln Wheat Cent Oddity - What Happened To This Obverse?

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 Posted 02/25/2020  11:05 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The question is, how do you get this obverse with a relatively unaffected reverse.

Suggestions welcome!

1944 Lincoln Wheat cent oddity



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 Posted 02/25/2020  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldmike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dremel , weight ?
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 Posted 02/25/2020  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All those shapes are raised...right? Do you think reverse shows the signs of heat added?...Only thing that comes to mind is Hobo Art...

Edited: what's the weight?
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 Posted 02/26/2020  12:29 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
3.03g weight
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 Posted 02/26/2020  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll step out on a limb with Planchet defect. Those pieces look like they were there before the stamp, especially the ones on the field connected to the back of Abes head.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  12:36 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely PSD for sure. But how it happened, is the question. I am stumped as well.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  05:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatever caused it it looks way cool.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  06:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting and perplexing but it seems very deliberate. Looks like underlying striations (NW to SE) are visible above and below LIBERTY.
This is making me think an inert material (glue?) may have been applied to create the patterns and then acid to remove the top layer of copper between the inert material. The final step was a dip in acetone to remove the inert material.

Nothing on the field near the back of the shoulder, the eye socket, the letters or the date. Like they were intentionally leaving certain design features to keep the main design recognizable.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  08:49 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Soft die?
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 Posted 02/26/2020  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating for sure, how did you come across it?
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 Posted 02/26/2020  11:02 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great comments! The idea that it was covered in something and then dipped in acid obverse down actually makes sense, but still pretty heavy at 3.05 for that to be material removal.

Frogger, I buy large collections, and often somewhere within them there is a tube or baggie or something with the FIDOs. The collection I recently bought is huge, and there are a couple rolls of such things, mostly just broken post errors and BIE and normal minor things. But some are more interesting and posting a few of those. Still three more tubes of them to go through so no telling if anything much else will pop up. So far I think I've 2x2'd about 40 from this bunch but again mostly minor stuff with attributing some of the more unusual BIE varieties and listed die chips.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely looks carved you can see the lines in one direction and hitting the bust but not on the deign. If it was in a vice or hammered there would be Damage on the reverse. Interesting find.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly struck by a die tooled to be taken out of service but still accidentally used?
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 Posted 02/26/2020  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the reverse rims show damage, so maybe the coin was placed reverse down on a flat surface, then held tightly from its edges as a pattern was pressed onto its obverse
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 Posted 02/26/2020  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks carved to me, a few 90 degree angles and lots of sharp corners in the "design".
If this was done at the mint I would think that all edges would be more rounded and not as sharp.
I'm calling PMD on this one.
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 Posted 02/26/2020  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well the reverse rim is showing a couple of hits flattening two spots. Si this may have been struck onto the coin carefully. There appears to be die flow lines on the fields and the affected areas. The reverse is showing a fresh die. I I think it was altered, then polished down a bit to give the appearance of an older die. But I have to agree this is not a mint error, but an well thought out alteration. (Not the typical slam job in a garage) The obverse rim is showing the inward pressure added to the obverse to altered the coin with something like incuse design to make it rise on the coin. but wide enough to prevent making a divet on the coin with a punched out area on the reverse. The missing weight maybe from the removal of the metal when they used a Dremel to make the lines on the design. Note the wear on the highest points on the coin. The coin was circulated after the event that cause the marks on the obverse. But there is not way this could happen at the mint. PSD
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