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Is This 1919-H UK Penny Unc?

 
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 Posted 03/22/2020  06:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add goterps04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Starting to get better at recognizing coin grades. What would you grade this oversized penny? I see a large price disparity between uncirculated and circulated.

Which photos are more useful, with or without iPjone flash?





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 Posted 03/22/2020  07:07 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd grade it as a British VG / Near Fine. Unusually for an early George V British penny, the reverse is better than the obverse.

An uncirculated penny would have much better definition on the portrait, clear outline of the moustache and beard, many more hairlines and the edges of the shield, helmet and waves on the reverse would be much sharper.

Nevertheless, a 1919-H is a semi-key date and well worth keeping in this condition.

I haven't got a photo of an uncirculated penny, but the sovereign photo below shows you what the portrait should look like:
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 Posted 03/22/2020  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree VG, second set of pics by far the best.
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 Posted 03/22/2020  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Which photos are more useful, with or without iPjone flash?


Without flash


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 Posted 03/23/2020  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goterps04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, yes the portrait is really lacking. I'm surprised the no-flash photo is preferred, because the flash seems to show a lot more detailed lines to me like in the shield. I'm going to buy one of those USB microscopes to take zoomed photos, so I assume that should help. Anyone have a recommendation?
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 Posted 03/29/2020  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VG?

That coin is gFine at least, the Obverse is close to VF - sharp lines on the shield

Here is what an EF - gEF penny looks like - I don't have an UNC one - but imagine the lustre is brighter still and the light wear is gone I guess. Here you see wear on her face and intersection with helmet, the elbow and forearm and her robe and knee joints also have some light flattening due to the high relief of these areas.

With Victoria, the wear is most obvious on her veil (But I guess the OP has GV coin - so who cares about her).

For GeorgeV, again I have EF coins galore but no UNC ones - My guess no wear on cheek, eyebrows, moustache and beard must be sharp with no wear and hair has no wear and sharp relief.






It's older than the OP's coin - but obverse is the same in this era from 1895 to 1936.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"VG? That coin is gFine at least, the Obverse is close to VF - sharp lines on the shield"

Just to play Devil's advocate, it's been my impression that you Kiwis & Aussies have "liberalised" a bit from British grading - though not nearly as much as we Yanks have.

I chuckled when I saw this piece thinking it's a good thing he didn't post in the British subforum calling it UNC, as someone might have a stroke...

I'll say that from my passing knowledge, George V's portrait looks to present even weaker than usual compared to the reverse... I think that was what was guiding calling it British VG.
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 Posted 03/31/2020  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Realeswatcher - yes we have.

Okay maybe George is a bot more worn and I would drop to Fine, but these pennies of GB minted between about 1906 and 1922 had a high relief on the portrait of Edward or George (Depending on date) and the wear is always more severe on the middle of the portrait. Often flat by Fine grade, on some coins and dates, a full moustache means gVF at least and VF on the best strikes.

The Britannia side I gave a near VF too, as the individual lines of the Union Jack are sharp and there is a lot of detail on her robe and chest, also the trident is quite good and the helmet line is nearly complete.

I am not the greatest expert on grading and are probably a bit loose - but that penny is at least Fine overall.
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 Posted 04/04/2020  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd agree with gFine too - there's plenty of wear but most of the design is still there and distinguishable.
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 Posted 04/04/2020  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW, think that whatever the PRECISE grade you choose is... this piece is WELL beneath the level of preservation where the price starts jumping for the mintmarked Geo V pennies. I think, truthfully, that was probably the whole point of this thread.
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 Posted 04/07/2020  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would grade it as fine or near fine, for sure better than vg. I am sure there are a lot of grading comparison one could find on the net, at least I know there are great UK coin grading books out there as well as American books with the same subject. I am pretty sure I have both.

However for a collector I would say, I would not collect this coin in this condition.

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 Posted 04/26/2020  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd grade it F-12.
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