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1969 S LMC DDO (E.d.s) I Tthink?

 
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Ok I must try again cos I know I am seeing out of my loupe but out of my usb micro and its settings lighting,ISO,Quality,sharpness,Exposure, resolution and a few others I must be using wrong or wrong settings for optimum pictures showing the error. I think maybe thes pic are better, I mean the all letters/numbers are thicker. liberty shows the most spread and if you look real close you can see there stacked and it matches the big DDO the closest on copper coins just much less spread it does not match the 002. My picture taking with my equip/setting to operater error are well less then good and so far frustrating I am stubborn and I can except that I may have been burnt when I purchased by accident I cawas the only one who bid but I dont want is to have poor pictures and other opinions about the validity of such because I have failed to take some Quality pictures and that be why I am getting a No. I DID TAKE IT TO A COIN SHOP AND SAID YEAH ITS DOUBLED SEND IT IN AND SEE IF IT MAKES THE GRADE HIS EXACT WORDS. EVENTUALL I WILL HAVE IT GRADED AND WILL KNOW FOR SURE BUT WAS HOPING FOR SOME COMORMATION BEFORE I LET GO OF MONEY I HAVE ALLOTED FOR OTHER crap, and use it for GRADING/PCGS MEMBERSHIP AND SOME SHIPING INSURANCE ect. I would sink if did this and thus coin not be the DDO I believe it is and I believe it is a EDS hence the little spread it shows maybe I am a new variety but theres no way this is die deteriation or Machine Doubling would you fine people please take another look and a close look and give me some feedback





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 Posted 05/20/2020  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MD + Lighting issues makes it deceiving.
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 Posted 05/20/2020  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not seeing a DDO,sorry.
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Not a Doubled Die Obverse.
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 Posted 05/20/2020  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coop76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must have forgot this picture
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I must have forgot this picture



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Do you know where to look on die 002 for the doubled die?
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...9SDDO002.htm
Read the Description of the what areas are affected?

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Description: Strong spread but weak hubbing on upper first 96 of date.

Just that one area:

This is 1969S-1DO-003 for coppercoins, but is the same die as V.V DDO-002. Looking at the all the images will get you no where. Read first the description, and look there. So if you sent off this coin to be graded, it would grade as a normal coin, not a DDO. Rookie mistake. Don't kick yourself too hard. Look for the description. The rest of the images are there is case you have a marker to check to see if it is on these images. But markers are only for known die examples. So if you see the terms die crack on whatever, the exact crack has to match. Same for doubled dies, the hub doubling must match, exactly. Look for the doubling first. Also forget looking at the outside edges of devices. Why? Because that is where you will find mahcine doubling. Machine Doubling on cents is very common on the 1968-1972 cents. So look for the doubling mention in the descriptions and save yourself a lot of time and frustration. Look at the centers of the devices for the spread on the devices.

See the spread on the devices? look at the Liberty and Motto. Machine Doubling is so common on the date areas. Even the doubled dies are affected by Machine Doubling those years:

Note the yellow arrows. Machine Doubling alters the coins after the strike. But doubled dies has the doubling on the dies. (and be affected by Machine Doubling as the coin is damaged right after the strike with the dies of the machine. Hoe this helps. Any point not clear. Ask. I have thousands of images to share to fill in the blanks.
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 05/20/2020  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coop76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I was hoping it was just my pic that were poor thanks for the knowledge
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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The 1969 S DDO-001 is one of the rarest and most severe doubled dies in the Lincoln Memorial cent run. The answers to any 1969 S you think might be the DDO are 1. The baseline assumption should always be "no, it isn't" and 2. If it is, it will be so obviously doubled you will not need to post here to confirm the doubling, only to confirm if it's an obvious counterfeit.

Edit: Who is this coin shop guy who told you to have it graded? He's either the most incompetent coin shop owner on the planet or an absolute jerk encouraging you to fritter away money on a coin he knows is not the variety in question. Either way, stop doing business there and never listen to a word he says again.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
Two 2000 WAMs in a box: http://goccf.com/t/375240
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
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I DID TAKE IT TO A COIN SHOP AND SAID YEAH ITS DOUBLED SEND IT IN AND SEE IF IT MAKES THE GRADE HIS EXACT WORDS. EVENTUALL I WILL HAVE IT GRADED AND WILL KNOW FOR SURE BUT WAS HOPING FOR SOME COMORMATION BEFORE I LET GO OF MONEY I HAVE ALLOTED FOR OTHER crap


SOUNDS LIKE, err, sounds like you already have your mind made up.

I wonder if your coin shop guy wants you to send it in for grading through his coin shop (thus him making money on the transaction)?

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 Posted 05/21/2020  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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if you look real close you can see there stacked and it matches the big DDO

If you have to "look real close" it ISN'T the big DDO for 1969 S.

As for the coin shop, you have to realize that unless the specialize in errors or varieites, most coin dealers know little to nothing about errors and varieties other than some of them popular ones listed in the RedBook, and often they can't actually identify them. Most of these dealers will call ANY form of doubling a "doubled die".
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thankyou fellas I appreciate all of you very much maybe one day ill be giving advice that is of course if I ever learn
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