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2019 Quarter Strange Grooves Under And Around Date And Possible DD

 
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 Posted 08/10/2020  9:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tooboocoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




found this 2019 quarter while roll searching the other day the grooves appear to be under the datr like they were there before striking took place and it also appears to be DDed I'll let you call it thanks for looking
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 Posted 08/10/2020  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tbc, are you sure those circular marks aren't from a coin wrapping machine? Maybe give us an overall pic of the obv too? Thx.
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 Posted 08/10/2020  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tooboocoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I cant seem to make the whole coin small enough and still be able to see the affected ared these are token thru a microscope and that's why they are partial coin and I dont think the Mark's are from a counter if that were the case I would expect to see the numbers in the date to be damaged aswell thanks for looking
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It looks like Die Deterioration on the incuse letters, Machine Damage on the raised letters and, as noted above, crimping arm damage from a wrapping machine on the date. Full images of both sides of a coin make it much easier to comment on possible errors.
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 Posted 08/10/2020  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Machine Doubling and die wear. Keep in mind on incuse devices, the devices are raised on the die. So any polishing would altered these first as they are the highest points on the die, then the fields and then the sub devices and deep into the die the deeper devices. (Just as on a coin the opposite happens. The highest devices are the deepest devices on the die. The highest devices on the die is thus deeper (incuse) on the coins.
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Sorry I deleted this response and redid it
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I'm a little confused ,I thought that split seriffs was a sign of being doubled died and MD having shelf like appearance these pictures look like so many other DDed coin pictures iv seen its seen coins with not even this much separation considered DDs? And how would the groovs get under the date unless they were on the planchet before it was hammerd?
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This is a response to Spencer's post ,I almost thought the same thing at first but this quarter was in the roll not on an end so I dont think that was a factor thanks for looking
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 Posted 09/04/2020  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the first picture, I see MD, but also split serifs on the IBER of Liberty. Might need a more clear picture to see if they are split for sure.

Second picture looks like MD on the date.

Third picture the O looks doubled. Doesn't look flat or shelf-like, because it seems to come off the coin just as far as the device itself, plus the shadow line.

Fourth picture, the R looks doubled because of the shadow and rounded texture of the device.



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And how would the groovs get under the date unless they were on the planchet before it was hammerd?


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,I almost thought the same thing at first but this quarter was in the roll not on an end


If you look closely, theres slight circulation wear on the date. It's possible that the coin "was" on the end of a roll at some point, then got circulated for a while, shipped back and re-rolled not at the end of a roll.



Overall I think this could possibly be MD and DDO, but we would need better "clear" pictures to be sure (It's hard to tell with the newer style of coins and doesn't normally double near the rims because of the single squeeze method)

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Coop great explanation. .

It's hard to imagine how the coin is minted. If you don't stop n think. The die is opposite than the coin itself. Field is higher on the die. The field gets clean/ground first. That's how the letters and/or numbers get filled with grease after die cleaning.
Thats my simpleton way of putting it.
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 Posted 09/04/2020  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tooboocoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In reference to the circular grooves ,if they had been on the planchett before striking wouldnt the groovs disappear as the coin is hammered, where the incuse numbers and lettering is on the die seems like when the planchet is struck if there were any imperfections on the planchet that the image on the die would cancel anything that in results of hammering would leave a raised field am I missing something or looking at this wrong thanks again
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