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1891 CC Morgan VAM3 Spitting Eagle...grade?

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 Posted 08/14/2020  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's counterfeit it's a really good one. I'd guess MS-64 grade wise and I presume luster is good, just not evident in these images.
Can you get a solid guarantee on authenticity?
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 Posted 08/15/2020  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's genuine, but it also looks overdipped. I'm not convinced the lack of luster is just the photos—you can see light reflecting off the Mylar, but not on the coin. You'll have to assess it in hand, but if it really has no luster, it might be a details coin.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the upper loop on the 9 appears to a bit wonky and not rounded. based on the comments and the fact that if it is genuine it has been a little over dipped i'd pass on this one and not take the chance
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 Posted 08/15/2020  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't have the coin in hand. Actually wanted some opinions before I made the plunge.

So if you don't have the coin, why ask if to submit or not
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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathMan27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Potential counterfeit issues aside, you should not be paying a premium for a spitting eagle VAM over a regular old 1891-CC. There are at least as many spitting eagle 1891-CC coins as there are ordinary 1891-CCs (source: Carson City Morgan dollars by Crum, Oxman and Ungar).
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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dead luster is due to being overly dipped. Will only "details" grade due to cleaning.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes you can learn more about a coin by checking on its neighbors. I found the seller of the OP's coin, and compared it with a different BU Morgan he has listed. These are the seller's photos using the same setup and lighting on both coins. Clearly the second coin has decent luster, while the 1891-CC looks dull and lifeless. I would avoid this coin as it definitely doesn't have original surfaces.

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 Posted 08/15/2020  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Check farrider11's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add farrider11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does he offer free returns? No hurt in looking at it.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Geohoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's fake it's a well made one. Compared image to my spitter and the 9 looks slightly different otherwise it looks fine, not sure, I think it's real but I would avoid this coin.
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