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1974 S Silver Ike DDO1 And Discovery DDR?

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 Posted 09/04/2020  9:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KeepTheChange to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I matched this coin to ddo1 on variety vista and flipped it over to find some very nice doubling on the reverse as well...i cannot find a listing for it anywhere...ive been looking for a while to no avail. New discovery? Master die doubling? Opinions please

Very obvious doubling/splits on Dollar,the stars,and eagles feet









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 Posted 09/04/2020  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephm99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a nice DDR. Can easily see the split serifs. Nice discovery piece!
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 Posted 09/04/2020  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KeepTheChange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
awesome,ill be sending this to wexler considering he has 0 listings for 1974s
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 Posted 09/04/2020  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was looking at PCGS for a doubled die, no listings for the FS-#s. But I see a lot of Machine Doubling on most of the examples there. Some strong, some mild and some affecting slightly. So probably because of the size of the coins, the MD becomes eaiser to see. So mark it and keep it. But I'd check around with other sites. The examples on V.V are proof coins. Is yours a proof coin?
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...-silver/7433
Note on all three examples, they show Machine Doubling on them. #1 and #3 have the same affect on the DOLLAR as your coin. (Click on them and enlarge them and there is another view that enlarges them to huge.)
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 09/04/2020  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephm99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This definitely does not look like MD coop. I see a real DDR here.

Also I can tell that this is a business strike coin.
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 Posted 09/04/2020  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take a look at the examples I posted on the PCGS site. It looks just like that on 2 out of three on that link I posted.
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/04/2020  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty sure the 74's and 73's are the ones with Master die doubling.
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 Posted 09/04/2020  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephm99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Except that this is not a proof coin but a business strike. Maybe they used proof reverse dies by mistake?

EDIT: Perhaps it could be the master die doubling that other people have mentioned already? VV and Wexler do not show any pictures of what this doubling might look like. Perhaps that is what is showing on the PCGS links.
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 Posted 09/05/2020  04:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KeepTheChange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Master die doubling is usually documented. Especially if it is this blatently obvious. I strongly disagree with MD. I'm sending it in and will keep everyone updated
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 Posted 09/06/2020  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But master dies affects all of the coins. (Proof or business strikes the same) The defect is sent on down the line:

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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/06/2020  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm sending it in and will keep everyone updated

Excellent


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Master die doubling is usually documented. Especially if it is this blatently obvious.

Here's two DDO's for 1974 D's, the second entries reverse die markers are of particular interest.

Some food for thought, Both these entries have very light spreads on IGWT but are DDO's because they have something else as well( tripling/Obvious Doubling on the date).
http://varietyvista.com/13%20Eisenh...4SDDO001.htm
http://varietyvista.com/13%20Eisenh...4SDDO002.htm
They are of course proofs however.

Ike's are not particularly well documented. The most dedicated site I know is The Ike Group and I really don't like they lay out of that site.
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 Posted 09/07/2020  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atrox001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does any of the doubling on the obverse or reverse of your dollar match the descriptions in the CONECA Master Listings for the MD (Master Die) or the SD (Series Doubling), can't tell by your photos.
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 Posted 09/07/2020  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the doubling on the obverse motto "IGWT" not common on the Ike dollars? I ask because I have a type 1 1976 with the same spread in the motto and all the ones for 1971 including 1978 and others on PCGS does too from what I can see, I just assumed it was part of the design.

Edit: due to year mix up
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1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=362747
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 Posted 09/07/2020  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I ask because I have a type 1 1970 S with the same spread in the motto

You have a 1970 Ike dollar?
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 Posted 09/07/2020  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You have a 1970 Ike dollar?


Oh my, no I dont as they dont exist, I got my dates mixed up , I meant to say I have a 1976 Ike dollar and the years I was looking at on PCGS was 1971 to 1978 and I thought all Ike dollars had the doubling in the motto and it was common.

I posted that comment in a hurry when I was on my phone and it auto corrected to 1970 S as I was talking about a 1970 S proof DDO previously on another post, my mistake and apologies.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=362747
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 Posted 09/07/2020  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Oh my, no I dont as they dont exist


On the contrary there is a prototype 1970, but I think it is one of a kind. I don't think the 76's have the same issue, almost positive they don't on the reverse. I don't think a 74 peg leg would have it on the obverse either.
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