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No Privy Marks On Decimal Silvers?

 
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 Posted 09/13/2020  10:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

Have been looking at Numista and it seems there are no decimal silver (cupro-nickel) ciculation coins with privy marks. Is this correct for all circulating silvers?

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 Posted 09/13/2020  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only 1966 50Cent decimals was circulating you might be confusing your self with NTLC bullion that goes oversea some do have privy marks to denote their markets.
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 Posted 09/14/2020  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ryurazu - Am not talking about silver content but silver colour. When metal detecting I call 1 and 2 dollar coins goldies even though they contain no elemental gold and likewise I call 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c coins silvers even though they contain no elemental silver. Is there a proper numismatic name for all the Aussie decimal 5, 10, 20 and 50c pieces?
So to rephrase, do any of the circulating 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c pieces have privy marks? Thanks
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 Posted 09/14/2020  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are markers on a number of circulating coins that might be called privy marks. Things like the claws on the 20 cent to differentiate London from Australian struck. Decimal specialists can chime in with the particulars.
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 Posted 09/14/2020  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah yes as neal points out I believe there are for the 1966 coins certain markers (different die design, very small differences) on the coins design to denote which mints they came from e.g I believe whiskers on the 1c sugarglider, the claw on the 2c, the spines of the echidna for the 5c, 10c tail feathers of the Lyrebird, claw of the platypus.

As for the slight varieties today such as the Small SD or the low echidna is that what your asking? not everyone bothers with these tho.

For privy marks circulating decimals silvers, short answer No. Mint marks sort of, Initials of designers yes (SD, and now JC, IBR, HH, VG) not all tho.

https://www.australian-coins.com/au...-mint-marks/
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 Posted 09/14/2020  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It depends what you mean by "privy marks".

Non-Canberra-minted coins usually have "privy mnarks" on them, de-facto mintmarks indicating origin, as noted by ryurazu above.

In more modern times, some NCLT collector coins have been issued with "privy marks"; these are marks not for origin, but for intended point of sale (eg. Berlin coin show). On dollar coins, the RAM has unilaterally redefined "mintmark", "countermark" and "privy mark" to classify the various marks they use. I believe the other non-mintmark marks used on some circulating dolalrs (eg. the A-U-S dollars) also fall under the "privy mark" defintion. But the "privy marks", as defined here, are rarely if ever used on cupronickel coins.
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 Posted 09/15/2020  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies. As a newbie I first came across the term privy mark in relation the the A,U, S dollar coins and then the envelope on the A coin hunt dollar. I thought mint marks referred to a deliberate differences to designate mint. I would assume minor die differences between mints were not necessarily deliberate but maybe they are? The use of a privy mark to denote place/occassion of mintage makes sense except for the A,U S coins. Has RAM muddied the waters with their use of the term privy mark?
I've entered my $1 and $2 coins into Numista and this weekend I intend to get some more goldies but also some 50c pieces and I'll enter my 50c collection into numista hence my questions re markings.
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 Posted 09/15/2020  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fifty are darn heavy.

Umh remarking on 50cents not really however as a collector of 50cent I can tell you there are a few varieties, incuse millennium, fat letter millennium (DDD). double bar or ghost bar 1980 and 1979 clearest on them however it can also appear on other years and also on 1966 50 round piece (only the stronger DB would be collectable). some DDD ( Die Deterioration Doubling) 2007,2010,2011,1999,2014,2006 however also can occur on different years.
Rotation/upset, 2010 and other year (much rarer).

But no privy marks what so ever, time to time you might find NTLC but it much hard since there are a lot less of the RAM NTLCs for 50c.

Sorry about the grammar.
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 Posted 09/15/2020  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is there a proper numismatic name for all the Aussie decimal 5, 10, 20 and 50c pieces?
C/N for Cupro Nickel should do it or even just cn.
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 Posted 09/15/2020  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ryurazu - Was aware of the Millenium incusion (haven't got it yet) but wasn't aware of the other die varieties. Have about 15 1966 coins so will have a closer look at those. PS - Grammer is fine.

@Nevol - Thanks. Will use C/N onwards.
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 Posted 09/22/2020  03:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Noodling my first batch of 50 cent pieces. Not sure what the fat lettering meant on the 2000 Millennium but found some nice pics uploaded by Nancy on Australian Coins. Perhaps Nancy or Ryurazu could upload a comparison pic to Numista? The current description of fat lettering on Numista doesn't really describe what is shown in the pics Nevol posted. Beer belly lettering?
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 Posted 09/22/2020  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey David, If you like I can Email you my best pictures of the 'fat' Millennium 50c and you can submit them to Numista.

I'm not fussy about ownership of the pics, once you have them they're yours as far as I care.
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 Posted 09/22/2020  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Nancy,

Yes please. I use Numista a lot and would be good to contribute something back (even if using someone elses pics).
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 Posted 09/23/2020  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
David, Please go to your profile and activate the Email facility.
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 Posted 09/25/2020  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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David, Please go to your profile and activate the Email facility.

Hi Nancy,
Should be set up now.
Ta

David
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 Posted 09/25/2020  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
David, Email sent but unable to attach images. Alternative method suggested in message. Nancy
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