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Here's One: 1811/10 O-101 VLDS Strike Through On Rev. Make A Cud On Obv.?

 
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 Posted 09/23/2020  3:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here's one for ya, I'm stumped: what happened to this coin? It sure looks like a cud over star 13, due to one of a few struck-through brads, this one clearly seen on the reverse at that place? It seems to have pushed the die so that the denticles show between stars 12 & 13, with what looks like for all the world to be a diebreak going across them, ending in a cud. This is the "same type of thing" that formed the Unique Manly State 2.0 TDS of the 1828 12 Star Half Cent... Thoughts?

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09/23/2020 3:08 pm
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 Posted 09/23/2020  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SensibleSal66 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your stumped , I'm stumped. Wow.
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 Posted 09/23/2020  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't notice this before, but those denticles at stars 12-13? They go beyond that, onto the rim behind star 13-and they are impressed into the coin under a cud. The spaces between the denticles are normally seen as part of the field, not the devices. These spaces are part of the coin. Can anyone explain? They pop-out from the field. Now I've seen everything. If that is a cud at star 13, they will have to rewrite the book on this variety and the O-102
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 Posted 09/23/2020  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What does the edge look like at that spot?
Gary Schmidt
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 Posted 09/23/2020  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Space between A and DOLL (no AR). The lettering is messed up in places. The planchet is a bit thinner than normal; mabe a pass too many through the rollers...
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09/23/2020 9:53 pm
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 Posted 09/25/2020  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scans



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 Posted 09/25/2020  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/25/2020  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse mark at 4:00 doesn't look like denticles. They look more like the teeth on a gear. Perhaps some metal part was pressed onto the coin and circulation wear later erased most of the impression. The other marks and cuts just look like post-mint damage.
The more interesting possible error could be the slightly off-center strike....
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 Posted 09/26/2020  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SensibleSal66 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just remembering the days when coin making was fun .
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 Posted 09/26/2020  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone is of the impression that the strike-throughs are post-striking. I can assure you that they are not. The coin is flat as a board. Even if one lightly-engraved (for hours) the marks, the coin would bend and show them as a positive on the other side, as the metal used to make the marks is much harder than Silver. What's really interesting is the rim/diebreak. It's not supposed to exist. Doesn't anyone find it odd that a huge struck-through piece of bent wire is directly in back of that severe Mint-caused die damage?
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 Posted 09/26/2020  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joabler: the Denticles are impressed, negative casts. The positives you see are the spaces that are found between the denticles, highlighted because the devices surrounding them are "in" the coin, not on it
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