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Which Morgan Do You Like Better?

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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:12 pm Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
There's something interesting about this pair of coins... let's see if you can figure it out. Which coin would you rather have?


My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the first better. Don't like the second one's cheek smudge. They share the same clash mark on the reverse. So they are from the same dies. (At least the reverses are)
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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I prefer the one on the bottom.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They appear to be the same coin with the second set of images photo-shopped.The rim is relatively untouched and makes it very apparent.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dbrablec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow...that was a detailed observation...

after looking closely for a little while - I can see what your are posting...they really are the same coin imaages...

impressive observation...
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 Posted 11/25/2020  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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They appear to be the same coin with the second set of images photo-shopped.The rim is relatively untouched and makes it very apparent


I'm honestly impressed somebody noticed so quick, great eye Dave. The whole reason behind this thread is I had seen recently a few examples of people removing individual scratches or abrasions from photos to try to make a coin look nicer than it actually is. They're doing it to try to make a profit.

I wanted to see how far it could be taken. The coin from the source image is a PCGS MS-63, a nice baggy coin. I wanted people to notice which is why I put both the source image and altered image next to each other.

My whole idea is to put out there the concept that people can and will edit photos maliciously. Now my question to you Dave, would you have noticed if I hadn't put the source image?

The answer is likely no. Hence the problem, in the future and present how can we collectively learn to spot altered photos? In my example I purposefully took it to an extreme, but what if I had simply removed an abrasion or two? Likely nobody would be the wiser.

Overall, not a great concept to think about.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
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 Posted 11/25/2020  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's virtually no way to tell whether a coin image has been photoshopped to remove blemishes or scratches. Just like using lighting angles to completely hide surface hairlines and scratches, there are limits to what you can tell from a coin photo as opposed to examining it in hand. I think the best you can do is only buy from trustworthy sellers and always have a return option. Or I suppose you could ask for a raw image file to guarantee there have been no alterations, but it's unlikely many people could provide that.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HA HA. I can't believe I missed that. I was technically correct in saying that the coins were struck from the same dies, but I missed the point.
As far as your original question, in this situation I feel that the enhancement made by masking the marks is outweighed by the overall lack of appeal that it created.
As far as your later post, if one buys a coin and discovers that it was enhanced for the photo, the need only to return it. Not a huge deal. especially, if they purchased on eBay. Open an "item not as described" case and done. I therefore don't see this as a major concern for the hobby.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With hindsight, it's easy to see they're the same. Good fun, point well taken.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheGreatNorth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very good post! With all the technology available it's easy to modify any image. Thank god for return policies!
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 Posted 11/25/2020  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nells250 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 11/26/2020  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Miss Williams does appear to have a rather thick application of zit cream in the modified pic.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Honestly Grape at first I thought you were looking for a VAM-1F and was looking to choose one over the other until I noticed the hit on both examples under the first left star. BigSilver did hit on the result noting the smudge on the cheek.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which is why I never buy a coin from an on line source.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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BigSilver did hit on the result noting the smudge on the cheek.


If I had actually spent any amount of time on it I could have made it look 100% natural, I left the smudge on purpose.


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Which is why I never buy a coin from an on line source.


I'll buy as long as there's a return
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
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 Posted 11/27/2020  03:51 am  Show Profile   Check Paradime Coins's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Paradime Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks to be the same coin. I like the originality in the top
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