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1909 S PCGS Wouldn't Holder

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 Posted 12/04/2020  5:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ok88beat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all, I sent in some coins for grading all were slabbed except for this 1909s Lincoln. It's a "woody" on the obverse and has peeling lamination on the reverse. the peeling is why they wont slab it I guess. Any thoughts on grading, and are there any collectors for woody/lamination combos. I buy and sell so trying to gauge the market for this random linc.




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 Posted 12/04/2020  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS does not holder peeling laminations, code 83. Probably not much of a market for it.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is that a die crack going from right wheat stalk (top) to rim?
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 Posted 12/04/2020  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ok88beat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ijn1944 looks like a die crack to me it runs though the wheat stalk as well but that to is odd looking. This coin is just odd all around.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could have saved yourself a grading fee on that one.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ok88beat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coinfrog Yeah now I know. I sent a batch of 11 coins in to test how they would come back. It wasn't all bad news like this one.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This coin is just odd all around.

I agree , and it doesn't look like a woody to me .
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 Posted 12/04/2020  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lams are fun to put aside, but basically they don't work for serious date collectors.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say that the lam makes it 2x2 worthy though.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with T-Bop about questioning if it's even a woody. The lighter coloration is only on the surface of the coin. The high points have worn away and exposed the underlying copper.
I've always assumed ones like this have been recolored somehow.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Woodies are not always two-sided, curiously enough. And certainly any 1909-S is 2X2 worthy!
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 Posted 12/04/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with T-BOP as well, this doesn't look at all like a woodie. I cannot be a woodie only on one side. Well, I take that back, it *could* be a woodie only on one side, but the odds are way, way against it. Have you ever seen a hunk of wood with woodgrain only on one side? Especially as thin as a cent? The improper alloy mix would run through the metal, so it only makes sense a similar "woodgrain" appearance would be noticeable on both sides of a coin.


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 Posted 12/04/2020  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Disagree as noted.
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 Posted 12/05/2020  10:46 am  Show Profile   Check sheldius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting. I know now not to send in any LAM for grading. I agree with coinfrog, in that the improper alloy strips on obverse match direction of LAM on reverse. I believe lams are the ends of these improper mixing of alloys. There are also traces of the patterns on the reverse, just very faint.
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 Posted 12/05/2020  11:03 am  Show Profile   Check SilverCents's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with Coinfrog on this one. I remember running across a thread awhile back talking about a woody being almost "golden" such as this one, and it ws agreed that it was indeed a woody.

I believe this to be a woody, even though it isn't on the reverse.
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 Posted 12/05/2020  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a woody to me, and there's a hint of the same streaking on the reverse. There are certainly woody collectors, but the value in this coin is the fact that it's a 1909-S, and for Lincoln date collectors, the unusual appearance and reverse lam will probably detract from its value.
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