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American Silver Eagle 2012 Different Finishes To Bullion Issue

 
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 Posted 01/12/2021  11:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mkjj to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have two American Eagle Silver Dollar one from 2012 the other 2014, I thought they were both the same standard bullion issue coins but they have a different finish, neither have a mint mark. The 2014 has a shiny polished uncirculated finish, the 2012 is matte (not shiny, could this be burnished?). My question is did the US Mint issue different finishes to the standard bullion issue coins in 2012 or what version of the coin do I have? Many thanks!
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 Posted 01/12/2021  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its called toning, over time the bright shiny finish on some ASE will haze over. Hence what is happening to your coins.
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Business strikes and Proofs were struck in 2012-S"
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Great, thanks. The effect is very even on both sides of the coin and no discolouration so is quite attractive!
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I am not sure if these photos help, is there any other way to identify the business strike? Or, does it look like toning to you.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No mint mark, both are bullion. That's toning.
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These are my ASE, notice how some are shiny and others are matte? All are bullion (business strike).



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Thanks so much for taking the time to clarify, it's clear now & toning it is. All the best!
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Different years have different "finishes" - take a look at all silver eagles from 86 to date. You will see different finishes on the different years....... really has nothing to do with toning. Toning will add color to the silver finish - it won't change bright silver fields to a satin like finish!
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Different years have different "finishes" - take a look at all silver eagles from 86 to date. You will see different finishes on the different years....... really has nothing to do with toning.


Not actually true, I've had coins from the same year with different "finishes", some were bright others were hazy. So it is a type of toning.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've had coins from the same year with different "finishes", some were bright others were hazy. So it is a type of toning.

Ok, so from now on haze is a type of toning! Gotcha....
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 Posted 01/12/2021  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
of the pictures, Posted Today 2H 14M ago of the two coins, obverses and reverses. it's very evident the one on the left is a stronger strike than the one on their right.

Maybe it's Die Deterioration, or press pressure, or even different mint that made them (this is what I think). the coin on the right is a weaker strike, most obvious on the obverse, bottom right of her skirt. also on the reverse the eagles neck feathers.

My "opinion" is the one on the left was Minted at San Francisco or West Point Mint, the One on the right Philadelphia Mint. But there's no way to actually confirm that after they are out of the Monster Box.

The coin on the left looks like coins from the vertical presses used at West Point or San Francisco,They make nice coins.

while the one on the right looks to me to be weaker/duller, suggesting it was done on the horizontal presses at Philadelphia and sped through as Philadelphia always does. San Francisco and Philadelphia mints both assisted West Point Mint with striking silver eagles between 2014-2017

San Francisco Made the bullion eagles from 1986 to 1998, 1999 to 2000 it was West Point, 2011 San Francisco set up and tested to take it back over but instead from then on made proof coins, and supplemented West Point on Eagles occasionally. Philadelphia also supplemented making bullion silver eagles. 2010-2014 or so was the recession and the siver run up also happened along this time.

anyways, that's my opinion on the matter and the difference. Again though, no real way to confirm it without the tagging from the monster box.

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 Posted 01/12/2021  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OP's original inclinations are correct. The 2012 was struck with a more frosted finish and the 2014 with a more brilliant finish
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