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1974 Aluminum LMC....real Or Counterfeit?

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 Posted 02/22/2021  4:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coolcoincollecti to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello Coin Community!

I am fairly new to Numismatics, but not new enough that I didn't spot this while going through a friend's collection he inherited from his grandfather.

It weighs 1 gram, but keep in mind my scale is not accurate to tenths, hundredths, etc.

It has a proof like finish, although the pics don't show it. (I tried believe me,I just can't spend all day taking pics so I hope they are good enough)

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 Posted 02/22/2021  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Check Kloccwork419's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the pictures, I cant tell if its real or fake. That being said 74 is the year of an aluminum cent. There is only 1 known graded by PCGS and many articles about it It weighed .93 grams. I hope its the real deal and I would suggest sending it to some experts and maybe even PCGS if the outcome is good from the experts. It was an experimental prototype at the mint so really not a lot known about how it would look besides the one graded. If its legit, its BIG MONEY!! Good luck

Heres a good article. https://www.PCGS.com/top100/coin3
Its very highly unlikely its real but its possible. I would get it checked out if it does weigh 1 gram
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 Posted 02/22/2021  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Normal cent should weight 3.11 gram before 1982, first you would need a better scale to determine its weight.
It maybe a school project...

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 Posted 02/22/2021  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If its legit, I believe its illegal to own.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1974 aluminum cent
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_aluminum_cent


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The 1974 aluminum cent was a one-cent coin proposed by the United States Mint in 1973. It was composed of an alloy of aluminum and trace metals, and intended to replace the predominantly copper-zinc cent due to the rising costs of coin production in the traditional bronze alloy. Of the 1,571,167 coins struck in anticipation of release, none were released into circulation. To encourage congressional support for the new alloy, the Mint distributed several examples to US Congressmen. When the proposed aluminum cent was rejected, the Mint recalled and destroyed those coins. However, despite the recall, a few aluminum cents were not returned to the Mint, and those coins may remain at-large.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take your coin into your local coin shop and asked them to weigh it for you. I suspect you have a plated coin and you aren't being able to get a true weight.

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 Posted 02/22/2021  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And the bad news is, that it is illegal to own it if it is real.




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 Posted 02/22/2021  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If aluminum, do not dismiss the possibility that is a fake, struck from fake dies made by the explosive impact method.
Reverse field looks suspect to my eye.
Would need professional investigation to prove, either way.

The detail does look rather flat in places, which suggests to me that the die hubbing pressure was too low, or that the die pressure was too low.

I have seen genuine die pressure trial strikes that have flat features. Normally with the genuine die pressure trial strikes, the coins get re melted by the Mint.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now don't shoot the messenger, I'm just throwing this out there for consideration. Anybody that knows about castings and has a small aluminum foundry can make these - the reverse especially made me think this as a lot of the details are distorted. Shall be interesting to see the outcome of this ..............
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 Posted 02/22/2021  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Check Kloccwork419's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Theres an aluminum 77 on eBay right now. Theres many possibilities with this coin. First you need to get an accurate weight. I dont think its plated, it looks like aluminum. To me the reverse looks sketchy the most.
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From the pictures, it does not look like a casting to me; to my eye, the edges of all of the details are too sharp.

If is is a casting, look for evidence of an injection point casting sprue that has been filed and burnished off.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alwayslookin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is plated and comes in about 1 gram, then what was plated? NOT plated, even if the weight is within .01. Or am O missing something?
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I have to ask myself if someone would exert the time and effort to counterfeit this coin and simply throw it out there for a chuckle. With no gain. Create a working die? Forging it. Smelting the metal. CASTING! Just wondering. I am definitely no expert. The impossible has been known to happen. Maybe the person was friends with the Senator that pocketed it. Positivity when it comes to the unknown. How can it be completely ruled out? Too many questions but lots of speculation.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alwayslookin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Best to keep it on the low down though. Someone may come and take it. Ask if you can compare it to the one in the Smithsonian. The only one known.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks a lot like this fake I have in my archives.


The Chinese make these and sell them for a few bucks a piece.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If OP's coin was genuine I don't think it would have that much wear and chatter . After it escaped the mint a real 74 Aluminum would have been picked up by anyone , not just a collector and kept in a small box on top of their dresser in pretty much MS condition
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