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Post #108: Please Help Translate Two Abbasid AR Dirhams

 
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 Posted 02/22/2021  5:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add twood89 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have uploaded the pics of the obverses of the two Dirhams I have. I cannot read Arabic and thus would greatly appreciate any help translating the date/mint on these two coins.

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 Posted 02/22/2021  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@twoo, of course we are happy to help, but consider getting yourself a copy of Plant's excellent book, "Arabic Coins and How to Read Them":

https://www.scribd.com/document/382...hard-j-plant
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 Posted 02/22/2021  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twood89 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually have a copy and tried to use it, but it has just created more questions than answers
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 Posted 02/22/2021  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knew taking Arabic would come in handy some day!
Your first coin was minted in Baghdad (Madinat es-Salam) in what I'm pretty sure is AH 218. There's a chance it could be 228.
The second one appears to be Baghdad as well, AH 191.
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Thank you for the help! Looking forward to your insight
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I actually have a copy and tried to use it, but it has just created more questions than answers


Ok yes fair enough. For sure it helps when the coins have clearer legends.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When asking for ID, please post images of both sides.
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Sorry about that, here are the reverse images. In the same order as the original post.

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Both Madinat al-Salam, 1st 188h, 2nd 191h. The reason it is important to always show both sides is that there can be clues on the reverse to the reading of the obverse. In this case, the isolated letter "h" in the lower reverse field is typical of Harun al-Rashid. Both Album 219.2.
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 Posted 02/23/2021  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twood89 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much! They have now been attributed as such. I didnt realize the reverse clue aspect, thanks for point that out
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