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2021 Washington Quarter - Annealing Error?

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 Posted 07/11/2021  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The edges put me questions. Everybody say annealing and I do contradict but I do not see. why the edges do not show nickel?

The "MrBreeze" mention come from a bank box, and me I say in the last time I see similar coins come from China. No edge nickel.

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 Posted 07/12/2021  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Question on annealing.

The annealing occurs after the blanks are punched out of the sheet but before they get struck, correct?

Wouldn't the discoloration be on the edge like the OP's images seem to show?
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 Posted 07/12/2021  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@silviosi didn't understand what your quibble was, but quarters don't have solid nickel edges because they have a copper core... not understanding your point. Also, seems very unlikely that there would be 9 Chinese counterfeits in a box of newly circulating 2021 quarters. Your whole argument makes very little sense.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MrBreeze,
Looking at your photos again, I am wondering if your white balance is a bit out of adjustment? Using a 14% gray scale as a background might be a good idea?
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 Posted 09/21/2021  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got the 2 that I sent in for grading back today. Came back MS65 Improperly Annealed.

I have 9 others from the same box with varying degrees of this same discoloration. Would you recommend grading those?

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 Posted 09/22/2021  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sell these and see if it's going to be worth the effort.
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 Posted 09/22/2021  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats, those look fantastic in the slabs! I agree with Willburton. Try to sell one of the two and see if it's worth the money to slab more.
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1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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 Posted 09/22/2021  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep the ones you find in a hard plastic tube. That will keep them save. The soft plastic tubes have PVC in them and alter the color of coins. If you have some of these soft tubes, you use them for circulation finds.
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 Posted 09/22/2021  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great idea on selling to see the market, however, here is my conundrum- These 2 were the best looking of the 11 I found. These came back at an MS65 . If I sell them and find out it is worth it and the next bunch come back at a lower grade then I would have sold off my best coins first. So I think I may send 2 more in and see how they come back then start selling or maybe by that time someone else may have had the opportunity to sell some slabbed versions. Decisions decisions.

On a separate note - I did look at the other 9 and I really don't see any striations like other have found. Mine seem to be very uniform in color both obverse and reverse.
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 Posted 01/06/2022  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SheriDan4615 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is this is some kind of shot blasting to clean off welded areas. Look at the rims and letters very carefully and especially his ribbon in hair. I am trying to post some that have a purple color around the rim from the heat of repair welding. I've been a 1st class manual machinist for 40 years. I know something about metalworking
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 Posted 01/06/2022  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To answer to the questions addressed to me from Peter and Sam:

The reason why the edges are not colored it is simple. the struck has three major parts: anvil, hammer and collar. When struck the coin is in the collar. after struck it is eject from the collar and due to the friction with the collar the improper annealing color will disappear. This it is the explanation. Fred Weinberg stay on the same page with me.
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 Posted 01/07/2022  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Silviosi. I'm aware, but you are missing Fred's point - this coin has what he would call "bright" edges. Usually grading companies like NGC send these off to experts for evaluation, so it wouldn't shock me if Fred or a similarly qualified expert like Mike Diamond was the one who attributed these and declared them genuine.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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 Posted 01/07/2022  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@SamCoin. "bright edges" yes it is another point, but in my opinion only when you have the coin in front of you could be well diagnose. Who can know which expert diagnose. I have no idea who. I will like to know Fred's and Mike point on this bright edges. I will look to see if I find some articles write by them, if not maybe to ask directly. Years ago I had a short conversation with Fred about and him agreed with the points I mention before.
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