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 Posted 08/13/2021  09:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
On another coin forum, a rare 1592 German States doppelthaler has been posted for identification/authentication. It's possible the coin could turn out to be a fake, but the photos look pretty good.

The poster has made some rather incredulous comments on the provenance (or at least how it came into his or her possession), so, I was curious if anything fitting this description shows up on any list (I was not able to find it poking around on this subforum).
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 Posted 08/13/2021  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John Davenport in all of his published works has consistently warned of very deceiving fakes, long before the Chinese flooded the fake coin market.

Although we will need pictures to comment further, I understand why the subject of 'fake' comes up so often with European crown sized coins. Big money can be at stake. It is wise to have them all investigated before deciding to buy.

Nevertheless, the examples that often come up at major European auction houses are all professionally examined before getting to the sale room. As such, provenance (that is independently provable), is essential, and auction records are one of the best ways of establishing good provenance. A seller's 'say so' is usually ignored.
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 Posted 09/05/2021  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add retiredkper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The interesting thing about the old European auction houses is that they often resell a lot of the coins. They helped build many old collections over the years and then eventually the collections end up being re-consigned the the same auction houses when the collectors pass away or the families lose interest in the coins.
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