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1972 LMC. Seeking Your Opinions.

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 Posted 08/17/2021  6:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am observing separation in the motto and LIBERTY closely corresponding to CC 1972P-1DO-004 or WDDO-004.
The date appears to be purely MD.
The only marker I am able to provide would be the reverse designers initials. All other markers seem to be long gone.
I am expecting it to be all MD. Let me know what you think. Also , maybe photo overload. Not able to provide decent full shot of cents with this set up. Broke in 2.











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 Posted 08/17/2021  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pure Machine Doubling all around.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Merc. In 6 minutes or so you were able to examine the referencs I provided and reach a definitive conclusion.
From now on I will consider your input as conclusive and definitive. I have so much to learn compared to you. TY.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have master die doubling, deterioration doubling and MD. Refer to this thread. http://goccf.com/t/405697&SearchTer...d,master,die
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not an expert. It was easy to look up saw yours wasn't the DDO. Did you look for markers?
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, with merclover, and you can also check out Lincolncentresourse.com on their 1972 Lincoln cent page, detailing all of the known DDO's of this date.

Lol, 3 posts at the same time...
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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In 6 minutes or so you were able to examine the referencs I provided and reach a definitive conclusion.
It took me about 30 seconds, including the posting.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I mentioned earlier, the only marker I could provide is the reverse designers initials, quite similar. But that point is moot now based on opinions offered. On to the next question.
So there is more than MD all around? Just trying to learn. Like getting a second opinion from another doctor. So is my final lesson here that there is more than one thing going on here, or is it all the same thing?
Any and all references are welcome. The more I ingest, the less I have to ask you dumb questions.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1972 is a date most of us are very familiar with because of the large number of major doubled die varieties. Most of us know pretty much what the DDOs look like (pretty much all of them are either Class I doupling all around or else Class VIII doubling on the tail of the 2), so it's easy to see that this isn't one and that it DOES show Machine Doubling and master die doubling.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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 Posted 08/17/2021  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I count three things that I told you it was, gave you another thread, to show you what the master die doubling is, of which I marked up the OP's pics to explain and there is a link I provided there to show you the master die doubling. If you learn to recognize the doubled master die, it will save you a lot of time and you can move on to the next coin. There are a few doubled dies on the date that also have master die doubling but those are considered by many to be engraved and not actually even hub doubling.


Figured I would add this nice MD on the date I have, similar to yours.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize if I projected the insinuation that this was a doubled die. That was not my intention. I knew that was highly doubtful. My original intent was to verify if I was seeing more than one thing going on. It just looked different than anything I am as able to discern. Like a couple things going on. I never think I have found the big one. Only interested in the various anomalies and what to look for.
The references provided here have been very helpful in my pursuit of this knowledge. However, whenever I spend much time researching before I decide to reach out to you, I am often feeling as though I am an idiot and need to do my homework.
Goes back to the old saying, "Opinions are just like A-holes"
Where do I draw my option based on two opposite views? Books are better than conflicting opinions of many thousands of people whom all believe they are the final opinion.
I am here trying to learn new stuff. Not to look for the coin I might retire on.
Searcing coins is meditation for me as I am only in that moment. I only seek more knowledge here so that I may be deeper in that moment. Not for any monetary gain,but for my continued desire to be in that moment. And only in that moment.

I am finding that difficult to aquire here. Ego is the most difficult thing to overcome. I am trying,yet means alot around here.
I w see sendill think long and hard, and do the most research I can before I ask another question.

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 Posted 08/17/2021  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Dowhat no problem, you are fine! I think there may have been a slight misunderstanding, but it is all good. People here are very happy to help as long as it's clear you're making a good faith effort to learn, which it certainly seems like you are. Please keep posting with any future questions!
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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 Posted 08/17/2021  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am much like you, in many of the ways you just described yourself. I actually hate to read, hate to study, I'm much more of a hands on kind of person, that's how I learn BUT you must learn to listen to others who may have some knowledge, that has been past onto them by much more learned folks. I am not a master of anything, hardly a novice, I'm sure many here may have the same thinking. I have learned a great deal though and it was from asking questions and paying attention. You have to draw your own conclusions at the end of the day, but don't run off just yet, if nothing else, just read past threads, do a little studying and post when you want. Never be afraid of what anyone will think or say, just respect other thoughts, whether you think right or wrong.

By the way, did you check out the other thread? It should help. If not, ask more questions.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am often feeling as though I am an idiot and need to do my homework.


Recognizing the need to learn does not make one an idiot. In fact, acknowledging this need puts one ahead of 90% of the people on the board.

You should actually congratulate yourself because you were right about what you saw, there were actually a number of different things going on with that coin (as mentioned, its not all just Machine Doubling) and you saw that. You may not have understood what you were seeing, but that only comes with time and experience.

1972 might well be the most confusing year for cents because of so much hub doubling and die doubling and because they sometimes look so much alike. Keep looking closely at that year because some of those doubled dies are really cool, and when you find one you' ll be really happy about it.
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 Posted 08/17/2021  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 08/17/2021  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All things being equal, '72 was an interesting year--The Godfather (movie) was a big hit.
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