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1970-S Lincoln Memorial Cent Doubled Die - DDO-004

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 Posted 09/04/2021  1:15 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
One of the many "bar over 7" doubled dies from the early 1970's. This one shows nice separation and is reasonably strong compared to most of them.

1970-S Lincoln Memorial cent doubled die - DDO-004




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 Posted 09/04/2021  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! I've found a couple of these myself in the few rolls I've hunted. I've always wondered if there are some that have doubling like this on other parts of the coin aside from the date.

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 Posted 09/04/2021  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HumblePie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice!

I wonder what that is on the rim, by the L in Liberty?
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 Posted 09/04/2021  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are just large die gouges by the L in LIBERTY. There is another one up by the G in GOD which is actually the die marker for this DDO.
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 Posted 09/04/2021  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see these as die dents. This die was dropped and damaged on those areas when it hit another die. The location is not an area where a die gouge would happen. Thus I can then die dents it is hit another die.




On this one the die hit the floor and placed a mark on one side of the die. This altered area may look like a cud, but it not. Note that there is not void on the die, thus it is just a larger die dent.
Die gouges are most often on the fields:

If this were a die wear issue, the marks would be towards the rim, they are not.
Concentric die gouges:

These follow the edge direction but not connecting to the rim. Often created by die movement touching other harder surfaces.

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 Posted 09/04/2021  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To avoid confusion; there also die dents above the L in LIBERTY. This is unrelated to the doubling above the 7 in the date, which is a legitimate doubled die.

Nice find! I enjoy the little 1970 doubled 7s, I've been able to find a few.


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I've always wondered if there are some that have doubling like this on other parts of the coin aside from the date.


There are some with doubling above or below the L in LIBERTY as well as the date. Also 1972 WDDO-022 has doubling below the 2 and to the right of the I in IN.
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 Posted 09/04/2021  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coop seems very unlikely that they would be die dents considering there are so many of them on these early 70s LMCs all in the same locations (especially since many affect the curved interior of the 0 as well)
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1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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 Posted 09/04/2021  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die dents, not coin dents. The dies were miss handled and dented the surface on the die. A incuse mark on a die, leaves a raised area on the coins struck with that die.
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 Posted 09/04/2021  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice example! Where I search mostly bank rolls, I don't get examples, that I can even tell for sure if they are a doubled die, especially the close ones you spoke of. I bought some rolls of uncirculated 70S's in hopes of small dates or doubled dies but no love.... I did find a nice CUD though.
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 Posted 09/04/2021  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably the only year with that type of hub doubling in that manner.
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This one was in the same roll, and too minor to post, but since we are discussing these here are the close-ups for WDDO-020. This one is quite close to the 7 and tough to see, but comes with a little dot below the L which maybe makes things a little easier.

1970-S Lincoln Memorial cent doubled die - WDDO-020



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 Posted 09/04/2021  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find!
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 Posted 09/04/2021  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! The only way you could see that, in my opinion, would be an uncirculated coin, even with the doubling below the L. You would have to get really lucky with a circulated coin. I see "bumps" above the zero, from time to time, that I wonder about but no way, usually, for me to confirm.
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 Posted 09/04/2021  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, most bars over the 7 tend to be pretty light. The 004, is not subtle by any stretch. Really nice example.
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I agree, most bars over the 7 tend to be pretty light. The 004, is not subtle by any stretch. Really nice example.


I agree as well.

That bar over the 7 is even visible in your whole coin shot.
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 Posted 09/05/2021  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coop I know what a die dent is lol. I was saying that it is very unlikely that there would be tens of dies with dents all in the same area around the devices. I believe it is an example of Class VIII doubling similar to the extra foot of the Ls in LIBERTY that we see on many 50s and 60s cents.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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