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Finally Got The Chance To Cherrypick A 1955 P DDO-4/Ddr-4

 
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 Posted 09/13/2021  10:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CentSation to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Been concentrating on proof varieties this summer and finally found this one. -- FS-103/801. Very happy to get one without resorting to buying one already attributed. From the die scratches on the neck, looks to be stage A.

Most sellers cannot take a decent pic of a proof coin so that is definitely a limitation to searching for the proof varieties. Luckily, these pics were good enough and nobody snatched it up.

Had to use the seller's pics because I cannot get better ones.

http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20L...5PDDO004.htm



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 Posted 09/14/2021  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not seeing a doubled die. I'm seeing flat field doubling and Machine Doubling. Flat field doubling is caused by the first strike on the coin with Machine Doubling. The second strike flattens the first MD, then on the second strike, it received a second Machine Doubling strike. That is what you are seeing on your coin. No hub doubling. There can be FFD on a doubled die, but your coin was struck with a normal proof die. so premium for this. Just the value for that years proof value.
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 Posted 09/14/2021  08:11 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't say for certain if this is the DDO / DDR without closeups. But I think I see the collar gouge and there are N/S die scratches on the neck. Plus I see some extra thickness in the right places. I would have took the chance and bought this one as well if I saw it.
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 Posted 09/14/2021  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Flat field doubling:




This is not a doubled die, but slight flattening of the first strikes Machine Doubling. Sometimes it even happens on the second strike. But the first strike MD get flattened by the second strike.



This MD flattening on the first strike is also seen on doubled dies. But the flat field doubling is not part of the doubled die, but just flattened MD on the first strike.




So when you see proof coin coin listings, the flat field doubling is not the same strike to strike. Thus they are not doubled dies and not part of a doubled die. So keep this in mind when looking at the sites. It even happens on RPMs as well. (Sorry no images that I can show right now. It can be mild or extreme. Just depends on the first strike Machine Doubling on the proof coins.
Listings of doubled dies that also show flat field doubling, but, this is not part of the doubled die:
http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...O%201960.htm
http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...2PDDO013.htm
Note the date area on this link below:
http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...2PDDO029.htm
This is a ghost looking example of flat field doubling. IT is common to see after you figure out what it is.

CoopHome: What is flat field doubling?




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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/14/2021  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without better pictures, I can't say one way or the other, sadly.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
1972-P DDO-008/FS-108: http://goccf.com/t/405558
2000-D Maryland Quarter Rotated Die http://goccf.com/t/394553
1988-P "Reverse of '89": http://goccf.com/t/399390
Massive strike through error on 1957-P Jefferson nickel http://goccf.com/t/402781
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Agree, just too much glare.
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 Posted 09/14/2021  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CentSation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tanman2001 nailed it. Thanks for the tutorial Coop, wasn't aware of FFD.







BTW: I wasn't asking for an opinion on the variety, I already knew.
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 Posted 09/14/2021  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one!

I thought I saw some extra thickness on the E in WE and the L in PLURIBUS. Other than that, the doubling is not easily visible if at all in the sellers pics. Lighting is too bright and shadows are too heavy. Die markers are definitely what clinched this one.

I also may have cherrypicked a proof DD of my own with less than ideal photos this past Sunday, still waiting for it to arrive. I'll try to post if it goes the way I expect.
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Quote:
"I also may have cherrypicked a proof DD of my own with less than ideal photos this past Sunday, still waiting for it to arrive. I'll try to post if it goes the way I expect."


Excellent
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 Posted 09/15/2021  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on a great pick. I thought I noticed some thickness on the E dot PLU as well.

(Some sellers make it a little easier while others intentionally use the lighting to be "tricky". 0ne seller always has nice clear images of their proof sets but Linocln's are hit and miss with the clarity. Some will use lighting glare to mimic hub doubling.)
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